This is important guys.

Yes or no.

If it's no then I'll go.

Thanks.

Not in Today's news it's not

amaralsright wrote:
I would say thats a yes.

We are here, in part, to be able to question and discuss topics of importance.

I will however move this into general ok, its not exactly todays news

Ok thanks novum for your openness.

Sorry about the wrong topic area.

Questioning stuff is what we are all here for - but I personally will be put off here as a virtual home if I witness this place unable to distinguish between asking reasonable questions in order to discuss anomalies and hate mongering.

is it legal here to deny the denial of holocaust?

I suggest we add a caveat, you can only discuss the holocaust if you have been to a concentration camp.

Only if you don't discuss the UK government unless you've been to a cabinet meeting.

oioioi wrote:
been to, or were a member of a concentration camp?

Lots of tourists to Germany have been to a concerntration camp and I imagine many neo nazis have too

Holocaust denial, to me, is wrong. It did happen, not perhaps the way Hollywood depictes it , but lots of people died in WW2, of all faiths, nationalites and sexuality

To deny it is odd

I would say most of us here are basically of the same opinion- ie that the holocaust numbers are ludicrously exaggerated but that the germans did indeed kill quite a few jews all over the place along with gypsies, eastern europeans and a good few british and american soldiers along with it lol

dawnbreak wrote:
What happened?

What are revisionists supposed to be denying?

Are you a revisionst?

andyh wrote:
I would go along with that.

The Germans shot people, treated them badly, not just Jews, all kinds of people. Lots of people died of malnutrition and disease as well.

I would also add I have never heard an explanation of a gas chamber that made any sense.

For example: Krema II at Auschwitz was supposed to have been used to gas 400,000 Jews but for the life of me I can't see how that was logically possible. If anyone has ever studied that building they will know that a state-of-the-art killing machine it is not!

dawnbreak wrote:
Aren't we all?

amaralsright wrote:
I would say most died from plain bad treatment, malnutrition etc.
Shit happens in war

oioioi wrote:
Well, I live in Canada....

I don't question the Holocaust, I just flat out don't believe it happened as stated. There's no way. Part of the plan of WWII was to launch a terror campaign against the Jews in Europe to drive them to the "homeland" in Israel. What happened in the Warsaw ghetto was real. Absolutely. Photographic and forensic proof exists of this. Jews were summarily executed in certain sectors. Several thousand Jews were murdered, many thousands more were put in internment camps along with POW's from all over, as well as German dissenters. Jews did die in internment camps, but so did a lot of other people. If Jews were willing to relocate to Israel, they were given passage, those who wanted to emigrate to North America were given a hard time. This was a forced coercion. This whole plan was orchestrated by Zionist interests in Britain, and in North America. They needed to populate Israel with a Jewish contingent, and not many were willing to move there voluntarily.... so they were forced. They were also robbed blind for the most part.

The census records show an increase in the Jewish population from just under 17 million in 1933, to just over 18 million in 1950. These are total world numbers.... the numbers should read that approximately 12 million Jews were alive following WWII if the story of the Holocaust is true. The Jews seem to be taught that persecution against them is a way of life.... and it seems to be, but they need to focus on just who is perpetuating this idea. I think it would be like a great weight was lifted if the truth of this was allowed to come out. A lot of Jewish people don't believe the story either.

If we had the easy access to information like we do now, much like 9 -11, things like the Holocaust, Pearl Harbour, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin..... all would have been exposed for what they were almost immediately. As it stands, it's tougher to shake those beliefs becuase they are "historical record" and we all have been taught these things to be fact, just as our kids are being taught that 9 -11 was done by Osama and boxcutter wielding maniacs.

Holocaust denier and anti Semite go right along with conspiracy theorist. It's not about labels, it's about truth. The story of the Holocaust being perpetuated only benefits a select group, and I don't mean all of the Jewish people. I mean the folks who commit acts of genocide while using the lie as a shield.

ronisron wrote:
You need to be careful.

You can go to jail or be extradited for questioning the Holocaust in Canada.

That sounds outrageous in the 21st century but it's true.

hadabusa wrote:
Well we went with UK server and domain so I think so.

But ask your lawyer to be sure.

One of us (not me) mentioned Australian domain at one point in the discussion as could it be a possible option for the site...if was australian domain, it would already be shut down for this thread alone no doubt about it, once spotted.

OK.. according to the official story Krema II and III at Birkenau Auschwitz were responsible for killing 400,000 people each.

They look like morgues and crematoria but they were supposedly designed as mass killing machines.

Well.. except the Germans made a few fundemental mistakes.

For a start they build the gas chamber underground and the ovens one floor above it, and the only way of getting anything from the lower floor to the upper floor was using a manually operated builders hoist with a 9ft square wooden platform.

Now this would have been perfectly ok for a low level traffic operation like a morgue and a crematory, but for mass gassing of 2,000 people at a time whilst people are queuing up outside waiting their turn to be gassed.

Some German should have been shot for such a design.

Here's a model of the very thing you can see at the US Holocaust Museum.

www.ushmm.org/photos/alpha/n00468.jpg

Somehow I don't see that working on an epic scale, do you?

There's much much more where this comes from.

novum wrote:
Sad but true.

There is nothing in this thread except a questioning and legitimate disbelief of the official story.

But that's worthy of jail in some countries.

They can only be afraid of something.