oioioi wrote:
Isn't that a question for yourself? I don't see why thats especially one for me.

If it's a lie what would you do?

You do believe there are "big lies" don't you?

oioioi wrote:
An end to the Israel apartheid, and the strangehold over western politicians and foreign policy would be a good start.

amaralsright wrote:
Stranglehold over politicians?

They quite willingly shaft us all over of their own free will. Its been that way for a hell of a long time and I don't see it all being due to 'the jewish problem'. Money and self interest came long before the jews you know

The same happens in countries that have no AIPAC to worry about at all.

andyh wrote:
The only country that matters is USA.

But now you mention it Britain has "The Friends of Israel".

You do know just how much power banks have don't you?

amaralsright wrote:
It was aimed at you as it's a belief you have expressed.

If it's a lie that the Nazis persecuted millions I'll need some convincing.

Of course I believe there are lies.
amaralsright wrote:
Now don't get me wrong, I'm no defender of any state, particularly one that needs to wall itself in. However this does read as though I was pretty much correct in my assumption, you want to persecute Israelis because Jews weren't persecuted.

It's a weak line of rationale tbf.

Who are these anyone who told me that the nazi's (I make a distinction between nazi's and germans as I believe the responsibility lies with the political power at the time not the people of germany) gassed 800,000 jews? specifically?

I know that films, books, museums, documents and news stories have all reported that jews were gassed at auschwitz - I do not for the life of me know why the number is so important - I care not if it was 1 or 800,000 people murdered though gassing. Infact I do not care if they were gassed or died because of conditions in the camps - why the hell were people based on ethnicity and religion forcibly rounded up and placed in somewhere where they could not leave? that alone is enough for me - regardless of the methods of the deaths - it was wrong, appalling and had nothing to do with 'war'.

If every single person who put 'jedi' down on the census or who posted on conspiracy sites was rounded up and forced into camps - had their possessions taken from them - families broken up and were kept in conditions that were tantamount to a death sentence there would be fecking outrage and quite rightly.

If it is all a lie - what can I do? my and other governments support the state of israel and I would imagine that if there are powers capable of staging something like the holocaust or 9/11 they are capable of manipulating governments etc to continue to support israel. Unless we can actually name those people at the very top and remove their power nothing will change - but inconvienently nobody seems to be able to do that - lastly I do not for a second believe that the worlds problems start and end with israel - israel is merely one of the states that causes conflict.

oioioi wrote: Interesting choice of words.

Nobody is denying the Nazis persecuted millions - I suspect Stalin on his own gave them a run for their money though.

However I would like you to tell me how they killed 800,000 in Krema II & III.

Perhaps you don't understand revisionism.

That's great.
Now there you go again... "you want to persecute Israelis".

If you want to talk in a reasonable and rational way and not resort to strawmen I'm happy to oblige.

In the meantime, it would be great if you could tell me how 800,000 jews were gassed in Krema II & III. I assume you know and are not just believing what you have been told all your life by the media (who I'm sure you think push other "big lies").

amaralsright wrote: You seriously think that will happen, three generations down the line, as a result of amending numbers of holocaust victims?
Really?

Might I remind you that the original Balfour Declaration put in place a proviso to ensure that non-jewish rights would be protected ..


What has been done to enforce that provision since?
Zilch, because the West wanted and needed a friendly foothold in the Middle East and civil rights are disposable when commerce and control come to the table.

p.s.
Please don't Google "tooth fairy."
No, really, don't!

thoreau wrote:
Well you should.

The apartheid racist state of Israel is justified by the story that the Germans gassed millions.

You may have missed that part.

feather wrote:
"Dear Lord Rothschild...."

You're on the right road to understanding the 20th Century.

amaralsright wrote:
And what would you wish to see done that doesn't involve persecuting Israelis as that's (apparently) a strawman?

amaralsright wrote:

Step two was getting reluctant Jews to move to Palestine.

The Zionists helped Hitler do that.

oioioi wrote:
What do you think should happen?

Seriously, it's not a question for me.

It's a question for everyone.

If we've been lied to about the Holocaust what should we do.

I don't have a good answer, doesn't stop me drawing attention to the holes (or lack of) in the Holocaust story.

I suspect it won't be nice though.

One of outcomes is of course total 1984, they say "fuck it" and declare war on freedom, end of problem.

I think I'll stick to focusing on undermining and dismantling the very power structures that allow such atrocities (holocaust or holohoax, take your pick) rather than focusing on theconsequences of said structures being in place 70 years ago..

You either don't know what your goal is or don't want to say.

amaralsright wrote:
The only country that matters is the USA? Why's that then? Because of their all pervasive english speaking media?

Banks only have as much power as people perceive them to have, little people with little minds.

oioioi wrote: It's the same structure.
I said I don't know.

Same as you with "the dismantling of the very power structure".

Doesn't stop me holding stuff up to the light.

It's a dangerous game, but the truth is always important and I kind of hope standing for the truth will kind of win out.

But it might not.

amaralsright wrote:
I dont subscribe to that way of thinking - The push for a jewish state in palestine started well before ww2 because that is were their homeland is supposedly ment to be - what happened during the second world war was the straw that broke the camels back as it were - we have centuries of anti semitism in europe and elsewhere to look at as to why zionist wished to return to 'zion' and self rule - I have only ever read the justification for israels actions being that they belong on that land - not because they were victims of the holocaust apart from on extremist hate sites.

andyh wrote: Because they have the biggest sticks.
Control of money controls everything.

That is a fact.

That is paraphrase of an old saying.