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Plantary resources 06 May 2012 02:45 #1

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Planetary Resources is the 'new' business initiative that was announced fairly recently. The basics of it entail mining the asteroid belt and moon for minerals. As far as I am aware, there are some big name supporters of this project. James Cameron (director and explorer), former member of Microsoft corp - Charles Simonyi, Ross Perot Jr,and Google cofounders Larry Page and Sergey Brin are said to be the primary investors. There could be more by now.

Google, Microsoft, and a member of the Hollywood scene jump out as not having the most ethical of backgrounds, but still this interesting. There are some positive potential outcomes to this if it gets off the ground, and some less positive ones as well.

Positive: It could potentially greatly alleviate the stress we as a species put on the other creatures and ecosystems. Right now there is a large effort into mining, drilling, etc. This causes a lot of problems not only ecologically, but socially as well. People have been displaced because of the drive for fossil fuels, minerals, and gems. Simply stepping back and allowing nature to do it's thing would be the best thing for it. It's a self-correcting system that works itself out if left alone.

There wouldn't be nearly as much reason for creating false-flag events for the invasion of other lands for their resources. Banksters and corporations wouldn't have the same pull they do now, nor many reasons for cultural and national destabilization, nor a reason to install their own appointed dictators. The quality of life would logically increase the world over as the global GDP would increase across the board. People would have an easier time making ends meet, thus wouldn't need to have large families. The global human population would naturally taper off as the quality of life and health increases. Assuming this venture were to ever take off, the way the military industrial complex functions would just phase out.

The technology developed would also be a drastic increase to the quality of living. The technology that was eventually released to the public from the space race impacted the entire modern world on an unprecedented level. I also wonder if this may be an initiative to release previously silenced/shelved technology due to the fossil fuel industry. Combustion engines will only take us so far, as they're truly inefficient.

Mining asteroids and dead planetoids would have a higher mineral yield than planetary mineral extraction. Since they have little to no atmosphere, they aren't subject to the same forces like planets are. Minerals wouldn't be effected by oxidization, or weathering/erosion.

I would imagine that they would have off-world refinement facilities. They wouldn't need to worry about pollution in the same sense we do on Earth. That pollution may even have a use. In theory green house gas emissions could be used to establish the start of an atmosphere on the moon, which could potentially lead to it being terraformed. (I don't agree with Icke that it's a giant artificial spaceship.)

Negative: Having one super company hoarding resources and development could be potentially bad. I would imagine that if this took off, there would be heavy sanctions for the usage and removal of earth-based resources. That could potentially give them a monopoly, and far too much power. It could be the foundation needed to establish a negative one world government that has been mentioned countless times. This could be one way to do it.

What if it turns out that we aren't the only advanced civilization in this solar-system? For all we know, there could already be a species a few hundred years ahead of us technologically. They could be well into mining the asteroid and Kuiper belt already. If they were to start competing on a level that effected one another, war might erupt. It doesn't make sense for a super advanced species to come in here with guns blazing. They can get what-ever they need from practically anywhere, so why risk it? Really the only off-world threat (in my mind) would have to come from a neighboring species close to our own technological level. Even then raiding Earth for it's resources doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since living biospheres would be worth more intact for the wealth of genetic information. To me, the only logical reason for aggression would be resource competition for neighboring asteroid belts/dead planetoids. If there is indeed an agenda to fake an invasion like some claim, this would be the most believable scenario.

Like this or hate it, it's big news. Here's the webcast announcement if you missed it. Whether it takes off or not, remains to be seen.

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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 19:22 #3

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What if it turns out that we aren't the only advanced civilization in this solar-system? For all we know, there could already be a species a few hundred years ahead of us technologically. They could be well into mining the asteroid and Kuiper belt already.

Yep. Or a civilisation/s far more ahead of us technologically than by just a few hundred years maybe..

& we're looking in all the wrong places perhaps? Looking for something along the lines of 'us'...ie Earth-type life forms. The focus right now seems to be on Mars...the most 'Earth-like' planet in the solar system. & we are just concentrating on the search for 'lower' life such as algae, bacteria etc as far as I can see.

Seems to me that as far as our scientists/experts are concerned, the idea of advanced intelligent life possibly existing on the planets where the environment is too extreme for us to exist (Jupiter, Venus etc) is too much for them...they just can't take the concept seriously.

If they can't see it, then it doesn't exist..

A closed- minded & quite frankly arrogant viewpoint imo.
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 19:46 #4

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What if it turns out that we aren't the only advanced civilization in this solar-system? For all we know, there could already be a species a few hundred years ahead of us technologically. They could be well into mining the asteroid and Kuiper belt already.

Yep. Or a civilisation/s far more ahead of us technologically than by just a few hundred years maybe..

& we're looking in all the wrong places perhaps? Looking for something along the lines of 'us'...ie Earth-type life forms. The focus right now seems to be on Mars...the most 'Earth-like' planet in the solar system. & we are just concentrating on the search for 'lower' life such as algae, bacteria etc as far as I can see.

Seems to me that as far as our scientists/experts are concerned, the idea of advanced intelligent life possibly existing on the planets where the environment is too extreme for us to exist (Jupiter, Venus etc) is too much for them...they just can't take the concept seriously.

If they can't see it, then it doesn't exist..

A closed- minded & quite frankly arrogant viewpoint imo.

Good point, Diamond. They could be several thousand years ahead of us. Maybe even more than that? I would imagine that super advanced technology could potentially be so advanced that it may be almost unrecognizable to a younger developing species. The developing species would have little to no frame of reference. I look at it similar to how our species has handled developing brilliance of individuals within society. It was to a point where those individuals were regarded as insane, and either locked away or burned at the stake for heresy (Galileo, Copernicus, etc). A similar mentality seems to be present within mainstream academia like you point out. Just because we couldn't survive in the Venusian atmosphere, or life as we know it couldn't, doesn't mean that there aren't creatures living there. There could be advanced civilizations there who are used to it, or have made themselves quite comfortable with technology.

Nassim Haramein and Klaus Dona have taken a similar stance. He's a few videos related to ancient artifacts and 'star gates'. This seems impossible to most people. Lets not forget that it was also once considered impossible for man to fly. Look what the Wright brothers achieved.



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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 20:43 #5

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I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 21:05 #6

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andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

Two points on the bit I bolded Andy..

1, if their technology is advanced enough to get them here, then its surely advanced enough to enable them to hide their presence from us if they wished to do so?

& 2...we HAVEN'T seen them...? :D
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 21:16 #7

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diamondgeezer wrote:
andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

Two points on the bit I bolded Andy..

1, if their technology is advanced enough to get them here, then its surely advanced enough to enable them to hide their presence from us if they wished to do so?

& 2...we HAVEN'T seen them...? :D

Tech moves in some predictable ways because it always requires energy.

See the Kardashev scale- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

To achieve type 1 you would have to abandon the concepts of money and politics that we have today.
Its impossible to do otherwise.

The most obvious answer is quite simply that no society has ever made it that far and nature is still experimenting to find a species capable of it.
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 21:23 #8

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andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

You could be correct, Andy. There may not be any here stationed or developed in mass in this solar-system. There could how-ever be small mining colonies. Our methods of detection are still very 'green', so it's possible to have missed them. How-ever that remains to be seen with the rest of this galaxy. There are several hundred billion planets alone in it, and that's a conservative estimate. Galaxies gobble up one another, so they're constantly growing. That's something else to consider.

The amount of information that humans know of this galaxy, is very similar to the classic cup full of ocean water analogy. One can't scoop up a cup full of water at the beach and claim there are no blue whales in the ocean, because there are no whales present in said cup. The same can be said about potential advanced space/dimensional faring species.

The categories that Science has set up for developing worlds strikes me as a little off. It was equally strange seeing Michio Kaku get his panties in a bunch over a child challenging the type catergories, claiming there was a type 4. Unless the Scientific community is privy to insider knowledge of off-world intelligence, it's impossible to categorize something that has yet to be proven a definitive reality. It's technically Science fiction, which makes it theory/conjecture for now. I have the same regard for the search for life-bearing planets. How do they do that life needs water? That's just how it developed here. Life maybe infinitely more adaptable than our species is aware of. Simply seeking planets with liquid water may not yield the desired bio-discoveries.

There also exists a plethora of ambiguous information related to extraterrestrials and 'sky gods' that has been present in literally every known human culture and civilization. You're no doubt well aware of that. One might equate that to simple imagination of primitive minds attempting to make conscious sense of the physical experience. I ask this question then. How could cultures that were supposed to have been cut off from one another by vast oceans, mountains, inhospitable wetlands, forests, and deserts have all come to strikingly similar spiritual and mythological conclusions? These cultures were certainly anything but primitive as well. The precision of their megalithic monuments that persist into modern day, stump even the best of our architects. I would personally conclude that their 'sky gods' may have been a reality, or possibly the remnants of a previously dominant era of global human society lost in antiquity. There are ancient cultures who claim man's civilization has risen and fallen several times (The Hopi tribe is one example).
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Yep. Or a civilisation/s far more ahead of us technologically than by just a few hundred years maybe..

& we're looking in all the wrong places perhaps? Looking for something along the lines of 'us'...ie Earth-type life forms. The focus right now seems to be on Mars...the most 'Earth-like' planet in the solar system. & we are just concentrating on the search for 'lower' life such as algae, bacteria etc as far as I can see.

Seems to me that as far as our scientists/experts are concerned, the idea of advanced intelligent life possibly existing on the planets where the environment is too extreme for us to exist (Jupiter, Venus etc) is too much for them...they just can't take the concept seriously.

If they can't see it, then it doesn't exist..

A closed- minded & quite frankly arrogant viewpoint imo.

It's kind of Plato's Cave isn't it. I'm constantly amazed at this obsession with carbon based life as if it represents the totality of possibility. It's a real facepalmer...
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 21:33 #10

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Mrindigo wrote:
andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

You could be correct, Andy. There may not be any here stationed or developed in mass in this solar-system. There could how-ever be small mining colonies. Our methods of detection are still very 'green', so it's possible to have missed them. How-ever that remains to be seen with the rest of this galaxy. There are several hundred billion planets alone in it, and that's a conservative estimate. Galaxies gobble up one another, so they're constantly growing. That's something else to consider.

The amount of information that humans know of this galaxy, is very similar to the classic cup full of ocean water analogy. One can't scoop up a cup full of water at the beach and claim there are no blue whales in the ocean, because there are no whales present in said cup. The same can be said about potential advanced space/dimensional faring species.

The categories that Science has set up for developing worlds strikes me as a little off. It was equally strange seeing Michio Kaku get his panties in a bunch over a child challenging the type catergories, claiming there was a type 4. Unless the Scientific community is privy to insider knowledge of off-world intelligence, it's impossible to categorize something that has yet to be proven a definitive reality. It's technically Science fiction, which makes it theory/conjecture for now. I have the same regard for the search for life-bearing planets. How do they do that life needs water? That's just how it developed here. Life maybe infinitely more adaptable than our species is aware of. Simply seeking planets with liquid water may not yield the desired bio-discoveries.

There also exists a plethora of ambiguous information related to extraterrestrials and 'sky gods' that has been present in literally every known human culture and civilization. You're no doubt well aware of that. One might equate that to simple imagination of primitive minds attempting to make conscious sense of the physical experience. I ask this question then. How could cultures that were supposed to have been cut off from one another by vast oceans, mountains, inhospitable wetlands, forests, and deserts have all come to strikingly similar spiritual and mythological conclusions? These cultures were certainly anything but primitive as well. The precision of their megalithic monuments that persist into modern day, stump even the best of our architects. I would personally conclude that their 'sky gods' may have been a reality, or possibly the remnants of a previously dominant era of global human society lost in antiquity. There are ancient cultures who claim man's civilization has risen and fallen several times (The Hopi tribe is one example).

I've seen a scientist demonstrate how to make the blocks for the pyramid in situ by simply using regolith to make bricks. Sometimes really obvious answers are staring us in the face and we don't see them because we are so well entrained to think in certain ways.

It is indeed quite possible for there to have been alien visitation in the past and also oddly enough its possible for there to have been a technologically advanced human species around in the past too!

Even if there were aliens who have evolved past type 1, why even give a shit about us? We'd be like ants to them...to be squashed underfoot without bothering about it. Perhaps even akin to bacteria to be eliminated as disease.

I think we put too much emphasis on us being 'special' somehow. We're no more special than any other creature on this planet until we can prove ourselves worthy imho.

This idea of mining space resources for example...it won't be done unless its FINANCIALLY viable...this is the way we have always done things. Its completely stupid ofc, any advanced alien species would piss themselves laughing at us.
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 21:35 #11

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andyh wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

Two points on the bit I bolded Andy..

1, if their technology is advanced enough to get them here, then its surely advanced enough to enable them to hide their presence from us if they wished to do so?

& 2...we HAVEN'T seen them...? :D

Tech moves in some predictable ways because it always requires energy.

See the Kardashev scale- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

To achieve type 1 you would have to abandon the concepts of money and politics that we have today.
Its impossible to do otherwise.

The most obvious answer is quite simply that no society has ever made it that far and nature is still experimenting to find a species capable of it.

& what if the alien civilisation never had the concepts of money and politics in the first place?

Just as an example, look at how ants & bees societies operate. By chemical control of the masses if you like. So, even here on Earth you have something so potentially different to us that could have or could do develop into a 'super intelligent' life form.

See what I'm getting at? You are limiting the possibilities of what could be to 'Earth rules'...
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diamondgeezer wrote:
andyh wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

Two points on the bit I bolded Andy..

1, if their technology is advanced enough to get them here, then its surely advanced enough to enable them to hide their presence from us if they wished to do so?

& 2...we HAVEN'T seen them...? :D

Tech moves in some predictable ways because it always requires energy.

See the Kardashev scale- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

To achieve type 1 you would have to abandon the concepts of money and politics that we have today.
Its impossible to do otherwise.

The most obvious answer is quite simply that no society has ever made it that far and nature is still experimenting to find a species capable of it.

& what if the alien civilisation never had the concepts of money and politics in the first place?

Just as an example, look at how ants & bees societies operate. By chemical control of the masses if you like. So, even here on Earth you have something so potentially different to us that could have or could do develop into a 'super intelligent' life form.

See what I'm getting at? You are limiting the possibilities of what could be to 'Earth rules'...

Intelligence does not arise from a species that is borg like.
Ants/Bees etc have reached a static development and always been that way.

Humans are different because they are individuals.

There are some other animals who do exhibit some individualistic behaviour for example and they are higher up the ladder of intelligence.

I admit its possible for there to be beings who have evolved into say creatures of pure energy but I doubt they even exist at all in any way we would recognise nor for that matter would they give a damn about us for the same reasons.

Biological creatures once sufficiently advanced would merge with their technology to augment their physical bodies, this is the natural evolutionary progression once the biological form peaks.
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Re: Plantary resources 06 May 2012 22:10 #13

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andyh wrote:
Mrindigo wrote:
andyh wrote:
I doubt there are any civilzations beyond type 1.
We would have seen them by now, its that simple.

IMHO the reason why civilizations don't make it that far is due to internal squabbling and warfare.
I really don't think any civilizations have advanced beyond that point successfully. We're a prime example of it in the making.

You could be correct, Andy. There may not be any here stationed or developed in mass in this solar-system. There could how-ever be small mining colonies. Our methods of detection are still very 'green', so it's possible to have missed them. How-ever that remains to be seen with the rest of this galaxy. There are several hundred billion planets alone in it, and that's a conservative estimate. Galaxies gobble up one another, so they're constantly growing. That's something else to consider.

The amount of information that humans know of this galaxy, is very similar to the classic cup full of ocean water analogy. One can't scoop up a cup full of water at the beach and claim there are no blue whales in the ocean, because there are no whales present in said cup. The same can be said about potential advanced space/dimensional faring species.

The categories that Science has set up for developing worlds strikes me as a little off. It was equally strange seeing Michio Kaku get his panties in a bunch over a child challenging the type catergories, claiming there was a type 4. Unless the Scientific community is privy to insider knowledge of off-world intelligence, it's impossible to categorize something that has yet to be proven a definitive reality. It's technically Science fiction, which makes it theory/conjecture for now. I have the same regard for the search for life-bearing planets. How do they do that life needs water? That's just how it developed here. Life maybe infinitely more adaptable than our species is aware of. Simply seeking planets with liquid water may not yield the desired bio-discoveries.

There also exists a plethora of ambiguous information related to extraterrestrials and 'sky gods' that has been present in literally every known human culture and civilization. You're no doubt well aware of that. One might equate that to simple imagination of primitive minds attempting to make conscious sense of the physical experience. I ask this question then. How could cultures that were supposed to have been cut off from one another by vast oceans, mountains, inhospitable wetlands, forests, and deserts have all come to strikingly similar spiritual and mythological conclusions? These cultures were certainly anything but primitive as well. The precision of their megalithic monuments that persist into modern day, stump even the best of our architects. I would personally conclude that their 'sky gods' may have been a reality, or possibly the remnants of a previously dominant era of global human society lost in antiquity. There are ancient cultures who claim man's civilization has risen and fallen several times (The Hopi tribe is one example).

I've seen a scientist demonstrate how to make the blocks for the pyramid in situ by simply using regolith to make bricks. Sometimes really obvious answers are staring us in the face and we don't see them because we are so well entrained to think in certain ways.

It is indeed quite possible for there to have been alien visitation in the past and also oddly enough its possible for there to have been a technologically advanced human species around in the past too!

Even if there were aliens who have evolved past type 1, why even give a shit about us? We'd be like ants to them...to be squashed underfoot without bothering about it. Perhaps even akin to bacteria to be eliminated as disease.

I think we put too much emphasis on us being 'special' somehow. We're no more special than any other creature on this planet until we can prove ourselves worthy imho.

This idea of mining space resources for example...it won't be done unless its FINANCIALLY viable...this is the way we have always done things. Its completely stupid ofc, any advanced alien species would piss themselves laughing at us.

That's a good example, I've seen that as well. His work was indeed impressive, but it still wasn't quite to the level of Egyptian precision. To be fair though, a lot of what we construct today is intentionally designed to break down (planned obsolescence), namely due to the inherently flawed consumer-based economic system our societies run off of.

Fair question, why would they care? Maybe they were simply interested in our ancestor's behavior and genetics? We do similar things with other species of our planet. Our zoologists don't exactly walk up to bonobos and try to have a conversation on existentialism, with an exchange of technology, etc. Maybe they were simply intergalactic geneticists and behaviorists? As the result of studying life abroad from their home world/dimension, it's entirely possible that they could have developed a reverence for life and it's dynamics. I don't really see advanced species holding on to primitive aggression and apathy, but then again there is no way I could be certain of how their mind works.

I agree with you that there is far too much emphasis on humanity being special. I would even go as far as to call it delusional. That's the same reason I don't hold on to the notion that humans are the pinnacle of development, as we're still very young in literally every conceivable aspect. The idea that we're 'top dog' of everything, and that there are not others out there more advanced than us goes along with the same delusions of grandeur. If there are Ets traveling space distributing knowledge and technology like some think, they might have done so on several other worlds, and may even continue to do so. Maybe they're interested in seeing how each species develops with the same set of materials?

Mining space is becoming more viable though, that's the idea of planetary resources. Electronics, robotics, and propulsion technologies are becoming more commercially viable, whereas once it took agencies under the guidance and finance of government. I agree that our monetary system is completely ludicrous. It's not even relevant anymore, as it doesn't meet the needs of our societies, and species as a whole. People starve, wars erupt, and injustice abounds as a result of it. Realistically and logically, that doesn't need to happen. An extraterrestrial species may find it appalling indeed. I know I would personally be embarrassed for them to see it. So, you and I are on the same page in that regard. How-ever, a venture like this might be the start of the progression we need by removing current redundant power structures by increasing abundance. That's assuming it ever takes off (pun intended :D), and is run with integrity of course.
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That's assuming it ever takes off (pun intended :D), and is run with integrity of course.


Mmmmmmmmm
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Re: Plantary resources 07 May 2012 05:50 #15

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That's assuming it ever takes off (pun intended :D), and is run with integrity of course.

Hehehe :)

Top post btw, I don't get replies like that on DIF....

By the way, I did occur to me that its possible humans reached a technologically advanced stage in the past, perhaps pre-ice age. It could be that some survived some kind of collapse of civilization and passed on knowledge for some time but inevitably as time passed we regressed and then picked up again.

Either theory is possible I suppose...maybe even a combination.
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Re: Plantary resources 07 May 2012 06:29 #16

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andyh wrote:
Mrindigo wrote:
That's assuming it ever takes off (pun intended :D), and is run with integrity of course.

Hehehe :)

Top post btw, I don't get replies like that on DIF....

By the way, I did occur to me that its possible humans reached a technologically advanced stage in the past, perhaps pre-ice age. It could be that some survived some kind of collapse of civilization and passed on knowledge for some time but inevitably as time passed we regressed and then picked up again.

Either theory is possible I suppose...maybe even a combination.

That's unfortunate. From what I have seen over the past few days, the quality there has seriously declined. The atmosphere isn't really conducive for this type of exchange.

I think that may possibly account for some of the UFO sightings that aren't mundane objects, or experimental military craft. I often wonder if ETs did visit here when our civilization was at a previous peak, left, and returned to find us ruined by some sort of catastrophe or war. I think this is a deep subject all it's own as well. My indie senses predict a future thread. :D
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ET. It's rather concentrated on isn't it. Ok, I'm not saying that there aren't physical beings on other worlds, that would be daft, however, there are many many lifeforms that I would call energetic that have no physical form. I know this, I meet them regularly. They are not bound by limitations of spacetime, the concept of being an 'ET' is most likely laughable to them.

As in DG's post, very often we are looking in the wrong place....
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I think the list of positives is flawed, as even if they did find lots of minerals it wouldnt translate to better quality of life for us. De Beers boards diamonds to manufacture scarcity, and same applies with this. And mineral grabbing isn't the only reason for invading countries, if anything its a fringe benefit compared to other gains.
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At least at this time in history, would space mining actually be worth the cost of the endeavor versus profit realized?
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ET. It's rather concentrated on isn't it. Ok, I'm not saying that there aren't physical beings on other worlds, that would be daft, however, there are many many lifeforms that I would call energetic that have no physical form. I know this, I meet them regularly. They are not bound by limitations of spacetime, the concept of being an 'ET' is most likely laughable to them.

As in DG's post, very often we are looking in the wrong place....

It's really more of a side discussion, but yeah it was covered a little in depth. It was just for a potential outcome of reaching the asteroid belt/Kuiper belt and hypothetically finding another species already mining. Nonphysical beings wouldn't have a use for mining, so they weren't covered.
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