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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:37 #121

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dogsmilk wrote:
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The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p...chist#post1059947435

Correct.

The only laws we need to abide by at the end of the day are common sense.
Treat others as you would have them treat you.
Simples :)

The rest is a pile of bullshit.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:38 #122

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dogsmilk wrote:
thoreau wrote:
The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p...chist#post1059947435
he never answered anything straight forward.

that other british fmotl clowns(forgot name) solution was the following, hed be a benevolent dictator :roll:

say hello to the new boss, even worse than the old one.


i asked the fmotl community to walk up to a cop with a kilo of maryjuana and claim fotl, i offered money i anyone did.
predictably, noone wanted to play.

anarerchists atleast are very clear about their agenda.by definition.

fotl think its ok to drive a car uninsured on public roads.

how can anyone believe for a minute that this works?

dont they watch thing like "nightcops" on tv? :killinme:
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:39 #123

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andyh wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
thoreau wrote:
The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p...chist#post1059947435

Correct.

The only laws we need to abide by at the end of the day are common sense.
Treat others as you would have them treat you.
Simples :)

The rest is a pile of bullshit.
try to explain that to the florida face biting canibal or to the luka magnotta guy
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:40 #124

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One very good example is vera Suza over on Sodlikeproductions.

if she turns up

We dont have a shudder smiliey. She didnt like one sentence i said once, next thing i know, i apparently set fire to her house, and she was ranting and raving about it on DIF. Good thing for me she soon turned her attention to I_am , so that wasnt going to ever go veras way :larf:
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:46 #125

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hadabusa wrote:
try to explain that to the florida face biting canibal or to the luka magnotta guy

And therein you have your 90% of the conspiracy hada.
Just stupid people.

There are a few small examples of 'conspiracy' so to speak but to grand overarching domination of every aspect of our lives....YET ;)
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:52 #126

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hadabusa wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
thoreau wrote:
The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p...chist#post1059947435
he never answered anything straight forward.

that other british fmotl clowns(forgot name) solution was the following, hed be a benevolent dictator :roll:

say hello to the new boss, even worse than the old one.


i asked the fmotl community to walk up to a cop with a kilo of maryjuana and claim fotl, i offered money i anyone did.
predictably, noone wanted to play.

anarerchists atleast are very clear about their agenda.by definition.

fotl think its ok to drive a car uninsured on public roads.

how can anyone believe for a minute that this works?

dont they watch thing like "nightcops" on tv? :killinme:

Freeman of the land is in essence a good concept , but falls down about two minutes in!

People declaring shite for shites sake.

None of us want to be goverened or play to the governement or authorities rules , but when you start try to take on the world, individually you will get fucked.

Look at Robert Green ......

That whole thing with Hollie Greig left him getting stitched up by the 'Conspiracy' people and a term in prison .

David was an adovactor for him then disappeared at the first sign of trouble

I feel sorry for Robert Green ....he was abanboned and stitched up
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:57 #127

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andyh wrote:
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try to explain that to the florida face biting canibal or to the luka magnotta guy

And therein you have your 90% of the conspiracy hada.
Just stupid people.

There are a few small examples of 'conspiracy' so to speak but to grand overarching domination of every aspect of our lives....YET ;)
my dad recently said "if everyone were wealthy, people would spit eachother into their faces from over balconys".

have you watched or read "american psycho"?

the authors message was the same.

there are many un honourable folks out there, and there are many insane folks out there.

anarchy might be possible in a world where everyone has plenty off everything

but the wrold is very far from that state currently.

we live in a soft time where veryone is spoiled and feels entitled to many things.

if somme people didnt get justice bc there is no law, some would take justice into own hands etc etc
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:58 #128

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hadabusa wrote:
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For me hads, he didn't bring anything whatsoever to the place except shit. Trolls can be fun, that is one of their plusses. This chap wasn't even funny.On ANY level. It was all spam spam spam shit shit shit. Throw in some racist shit. He was encouraged to stay and chip in and made ONE reasonable post. ONE. Good fekkin riddance.

As you say there are other places togo and do that stuff. Here aint one of them.
but when you rule out people, thats sectish behaviour,no?

maybe he is mentaly handicapped, why exclude him?

Hads raises some good points imo. Maybe new people looking in may find it clicky !!! Perceptive hads somebody does have a blue badge :)
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 22:59 #129

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dawnbreak wrote:
hadabusa wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
thoreau wrote:
The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p...chist#post1059947435
he never answered anything straight forward.

that other british fmotl clowns(forgot name) solution was the following, hed be a benevolent dictator :roll:

say hello to the new boss, even worse than the old one.


i asked the fmotl community to walk up to a cop with a kilo of maryjuana and claim fotl, i offered money i anyone did.
predictably, noone wanted to play.

anarerchists atleast are very clear about their agenda.by definition.

fotl think its ok to drive a car uninsured on public roads.

how can anyone believe for a minute that this works?

dont they watch thing like "nightcops" on tv? :killinme:

Freeman of the land is in essence a good concept , but falls down about two minutes in!

People declaring shite for shites sake.

None of us want to be goverened or play to the governement or authorities rules , but when you start try to take on the world, individually you will get fucked.

Look at Robert Green ......

That whole thing with Hollie Greig left him getting stitched up by the 'Conspiracy' people and a term in prison .

David was an adovactor for him then disappeared at the first sign of trouble

I feel sorry for Robert Green ....he was abanboned and stitched up
there was many lies brought forward by the conspiracy people in that case.

they shouted theres a pedo ring blabla with no evidence whatsoever, but when i point out hollows ehm, lets say weird behaviour here which i witnessed then i have gone to far etc.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:00 #130

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pheony wrote:
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pheony knows a forum i frequent often, she can testify you see the worst insults and abuse there, basicaly everyone is a troll, but somehow it works.

only time i seen moderation there was when there was straightup illegal posts and behaviour.

banning trolls imo is like the husband who turns wifebeater because hes too insecure to handle her.

But, when people join that forum...they know what they are getting into and if they don't I feel sorry for them. I can see that some of it is very funny, but not so funny for someone who is there for genuine advice and gets mercilessly mocked.

I'm sure that the forum of which you speak...has left some people feeling awful about themselves...which is not good.
sometimes people are so far gone in their delusions, nothing but that place can save them :D

You should know. :coffee:

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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:04 #131

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entran­ger­mer­cen­ary wrote:
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dubmeup wrote:
For me hads, he didn't bring anything whatsoever to the place except shit. Trolls can be fun, that is one of their plusses. This chap wasn't even funny.On ANY level. It was all spam spam spam shit shit shit. Throw in some racist shit. He was encouraged to stay and chip in and made ONE reasonable post. ONE. Good fekkin riddance.

As you say there are other places togo and do that stuff. Here aint one of them.
but when you rule out people, thats sectish behaviour,no?

maybe he is mentaly handicapped, why exclude him?

Hads raises some good points imo. Maybe new people looking in may find it clicky !!! Perceptive hads somebody does have a blue badge :)
yeah, lets just say he was on the forum similiar to what a retarded kid would be irl.

and he gets excluded.

he did a racist post?so what?

ronisron thinks ernst zundel, an utter neonazi hitler admirer holcaust denier felon is a hero.zundel has a neonazi folowing.

what is worse?

perspective indeed
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:04 #132

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hadabusa wrote:
anarchy might be possible in a world where everyone has plenty off everything
Correct!
but the wrold is very far from that state currently.
You'd be surprised how easy it would be to arrange it all.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:09 #133

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Hads raises some good points imo. Maybe new people looking in may find it clicky !!! Perceptive hads somebody does have a blue badge :)

I agree, hads does raise some very good points. Very often. If only sod had too we wouldn't be many pages into a shit thread :(

the ONE post sod made that was a bona fide attempt at interaction was in the middle of many many rapid fire posts in a short space of time. To me that suggests his other posts were genuine conscious trolling rather than a result of something beyond his control. Although perhaps he has a very extreme form of that French phrase diagnosis that was offered by the defence in the two Swedish Girls case? The 'expert' that talked of that said it was nearly unheard of so if sod has an extreme form of it ( as in it can turn on and off in the blink of an eye), sod really must be very special indeed and warrants a study of his own.

I'm not ruling it out but for me the diagnosis is still troll :dunno:
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:09 #134

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them's the breaks eh!

I don't think you could go too far on here

I know you have commeneted on the two banned members but surely even YOU can see why they were banned
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:17 #135

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As has been pointed out (with evidence) there are certain other DIF related forums that preceed this one and some people on hem have an invested interest in seeing this one do badly.

Hi estrangedmerc, miss sodlike much?

If you like, you can use your account there to inform droike and sod that people over here are being ,much nicer about them then they are being about this place.

Sod turned up declaring elsewhere that he thought the place would bomb and that he though the place was, and I quote, " a bunch of cunts".

So estrangedmerc, how about using that account over there to tell Sod he brought it on himself.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:18 #136

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them's the breaks eh!

I don't think you could go too far on here

I know you have commeneted on the two banned members but surely even YOU can see why they were banned
i wouldve handled it different.

and i wouldnt take offense at insults towards me, can ask pheony when im being insulted on the internet i sit there and laugh about it

banning=internet euthanasia programme

banning beause you dont like what someone says=hows that different to sean?

btw i dont care about specterero and sod.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:19 #137

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hadabusa wrote:
andyh wrote:
hadabusa wrote:
try to explain that to the florida face biting canibal or to the luka magnotta guy

And therein you have your 90% of the conspiracy hada.
Just stupid people.

There are a few small examples of 'conspiracy' so to speak but to grand overarching domination of every aspect of our lives....YET ;)
my dad recently said "if everyone were wealthy, people would spit eachother into their faces from over balconys".

have you watched or read "american psycho"?

the authors message was the same.

there are many un honourable folks out there, and there are many insane folks out there.

anarchy might be possible in a world where everyone has plenty off everything

but the wrold is very far from that state currently.

we live in a soft time where veryone is spoiled and feels entitled to many things.

if somme people didnt get justice bc there is no law, some would take justice into own hands etc etc

Well Marxism is predicated on it - capitalism achieves the productive capacity that facilitates socialism - you have to go through capitalism to come out the other side. Put a spanner in those works when less economically developed countries had revolutions while advanced economies either didn't or went fascist. Though to be fair we might be living in the time right now where Marx is proved right about capitalism collapsing under its own contradictions. It's just the fallout might not be as cheery as he'd hoped for.

I see anarchism as a state of mind thing. I can't stand those guys who sit around discussing Kropotkin forever. To me it's about realising you don't really need bosses and people can achieve a lot by just working together for mutual advantage. I see it as thinking co-operatively in a dynamic way.

It's like we all need food, shelter, clothes, recreation etc - why the fuck don't we engineer things to cater for everybody's needs, but instead let half the world starve while others fly around in private jets. It makes no sense to me why we let it happen. Well it is - it's because we just accept it because we're told it's the order of things. To me it's about breaking out of those assumptions about the way things are. Maybe nothing ever changes, but it's certain nothing will unless people believe it can.

Anarchists/socialists/communists never got their way in the UK, but they helped force reform to keep people pacified. Getting the NHS, shorter working hours, union rights and all that stuff made life better for ordinary people. Then we all fell asleep and its being taken away step by step. You may never get what you're aiming for, but pushing back can be worth it if you win improvements for people. Aim high, and you'll probably get further.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:22 #138

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mikey mikey wrote:
As has been pointed out (with evidence) there are certain other DIF related forums that preceed this one and some people on hem have an invested interest in seeing this one do badly.

Hi estrangedmerc, miss sodlike much?

If you like, you can use your account there to inform droike and sod that people over here are being ,much nicer about them then they are being about this place.

Sod turned up declaring elsewhere that he thought the place would bomb and that he though the place was, and I quote, " a bunch of cunts".

So estrangedmerc, how about using that account over there to tell Sod he brought it on himself.

Ill tell him to his face mate when im having a beer with him. :D Droike I dont know !
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:23 #139

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hadabusa wrote:
banning=internet euthanasia programme

banning beause you dont like what someone says=hows that different to sean?

Sorry hada but that is one hyperbole followed by an unfair comparison.

False equivalence: from wiki
The following statements are examples of False Equivalence:
"Political party A says the sky is red, Political party B says the sky is blue, therefore since they must both be equally wrong, and the truth must be somewhere in the middle, the sky must be purple."
"They're both soft, cuddly pets, there's no difference between a cat and a dog."
"We're all born naked, we're all no different from each other."
"It's just a little white lie." Implied False Equivalence: The phrase is usually used in cases where the lie is large enough to cause concern, and is being claimed as equivalent to small lies that are generally not considered worth mentioning.
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Re: what happened to "everyone is welcome" policy? 12 Jun 2012 23:25 #140

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dubmeup wrote:
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Hads raises some good points imo. Maybe new people looking in may find it clicky !!! Perceptive hads somebody does have a blue badge :)

I agree, hads does raise some very good points. Very often. If only sod had too we wouldn't be many pages into a shit thread :(

the ONE post sod made that was a bona fide attempt at interaction was in the middle of many many rapid fire posts in a short space of time. To me that suggests his other posts were genuine conscious trolling rather than a result of something beyond his control. Although perhaps he has a very extreme form of that French phrase diagnosis that was offered by the defence in the two Swedish Girls case? The 'expert' that talked of that said it was nearly unheard of so if sod has an extreme form of it ( as in it can turn on and off in the blink of an eye), sod really must be very special indeed and warrants a study of his own.

I'm not ruling it out but for me the diagnosis is still troll :dunno:
ofc hewas trolling but eventualy hed have been aproachable, at least by some.

i dont like the idea of horde belief/mob mentality where everyone different is excluded.

under the pretext of being different than sean.,no less.

i dont see how he could have damaged this forum

after all, some people here still take david ickes word for granted, why not somebody elses too?

would anyone buy a used car off of icke? :D
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