hadabusa wrote:
Is there really any need to point out the "wrong" in your last few posts, and waste my doing so? Probably not. As someone said, you post things that make people wince. In so many ways. But hey, some folks think you're funny. Go with it. I look forward to watching you on here as you respect other's opinions and find interesting things to talk about simultaneously.

Oh, and [very sarcastic]lets bring back the trolls[/very sarcastic]. They are great to have around. Like houseflies, or Rottweiler poop on your carpet.

Hada, your cool be me fella. Even if you do brag that AMG beats a Mk2 GTI

do you need contact form for cambridge uni?

why are you holding back your "knowledge"?

if i knew something revolutionary, oh boy, id so start a pr campaign.

dubmeup wrote: thanks buddy, im just trying to help ronron to "think outside the box"



see ron thinks im a shill for many reasons, i think he needs further education and an open mind.

he wants to reach to a converted choir, he dont like opposing views, no matter how much sensethey make.

Probably not that relevant to this thread but maybe for the turn it's taken...

Way back at the start of all this, when me and DG sat on an empty forum twiddling our thumbs about what to do next, I decided to create a small list of people who I liked and enjoyed the company of that would liven up our 'new home'.

On a short list of 10, was hada's name. He was in jail at the time and I wrote to him telling him about all the shannanigans that where currently happening on DI and how this new place had come about. I wanted him here and here he is... to stay I hope. We need a diverse group of opinions and I believe hada's very good at doing 'diverse'.

And while I'm here I'll also say that like hada, I've also become quite sick of quite alot of conspiracy issues and believe in alot less now than I did a few years ago. Back then I was consumed by crap in my head all day every day and recently got to the point with some things where I just don't give a fuck anymore. Is that going to be an issue for anyone around here? A mod that doesn't even buy into the majority of shit flying about? Now's the time to say if it is.

I absolutely refute the suggestion that hada is nothing more than a shill but if that's how he's viewed by some I won't lose any sleep over it, nor will hada.

psketti wrote:
Good for you. I don't think I ever interacted with you once at the DIF -- I remember the screen name though. I've interacted with hada plenty, and my opinion was formed over time. You wamt diverse, and think that is representative? So be it. Thanks for giving up your other opinions too though; it will make your posts and position easier to classify.

Glad to oblige

Well Ronisron and Hada , I like you both . Obviously some history between the pair of you but I have no idea what it is.

I hope you both continue to post and settle into your own corners with mutual respect

yeah psekkty, when i ran into conspiracys at first, hahaha, i believed everything, i thought people wouldnt just make such stuff up.
i felt in da club and sooo much smarter than other because i found the dif

i bleived in the bullfuckingshit FMOTL stuff, i thought nobody would be insane enough to make that up, even after i saw evidence that its all lies, i still thought theres something to it
i even informed my lawyer about it, he laughed me out of his office...

i believed simon shacks no planes in nyc 911 at first, becauase of his misleading videos, its the same guy who says there was no victims, only computer simulations

then the moon landing, then hollow earth etcetc.

one after the other theory i found to be bullshit.

some people are jsut clinicaly insane and some are after the money, but its all crap.

the whole 911 truth videos reek of misleading stuff, made up lies or naivitee.

the truth mov ement is the modern day televangelists

i seriously feel retarded for ever believing in any of this.

hadabusa wrote:
I'll pull you up about one thing there. The FMOTL stuff is basically correct..in the UK. However, the law as it was and how it is now are two quite different things.
WHat many FMOTL ppl often say is that it's 'common law' , it aint.
Common law is simply the change in law as applied by the courts, in other words the law of precedence.
If there is whats called a 'landmark' case for example in one area then other people can apply this as law on an ongoing basis....until it's changed AGAIN

Many statutory laws have also been incorporated into common law simply by judges say so, in other words, law is never static, nor is it written in stone, it changes and those in the judicial branch of govt are the ones setting it.

The law at the end of the day is whatever a judge decides it to be and laws at the end of the day are themselves merely a part and parcel of the greater socio-economic paradigm which itself is interpreted by the human beings who perceive it and take part in it.
This of course is 'the illusion', everything that we have made into society, our money, our films, our music, our business our laws, ALL of it is merely a creation of the human mind.

We can if we want to (but only collectively en masse) decide to reject the paradigm and choose something else.
The problem is....it's not a choice that an individual can make. An individual even has few 'opt out' clauses to use now if they 'awaken' for want of a better word.

THERE is your conspiracy and we are ALL a part of it

hadabusa wrote:
That is some pretzell-y logic right there;

"There are liars in the conspiracy community -- therefore it's all bullshit"

You seem to ass-u-me that because you couldn't discern for yourself, that no one else can either. You believed in what? And then it wasn't true? Thankfully, luckily, there are a lot of people who are smarter than you are out there. Most of whom were smart and asking the right questions before they found the DIF....

Oh, but getting back to the OP, why were the trolls banned?

ronisron wrote:

Just incase ronisron thinks I'm also here for a shill ride too, here's some thoughts on where I'm at in life at the moment just for you ron...

I believe 100% that big pharma wish to keep us all ill so we consume all their wonder drugs and I believe with all my heart that the vaccination program is one the biggest injustices mankind has endured.

I have no doubt whatsoever that television has been used as a propoganda weapon against us and continues more than ever to do so.

I believe there are a small number of familys who have been calling all the shots for hundreds of years and continue to do so and that there is most definiately a plan to impose an NWO.... in fact, it's very much wheels in motion in my opinion.

I believe that due to this NWO, we are slowly but surely being controlled more and more with each passing day and that in my lifetime there will be massive upheavals and changes that will not be pleasant. A big brother state is very much happening now and only going to get a whole lot worse.

I tend to lean alot towards some kind of natural or planetary event of some sort happening in my lifetime due to things I've read about seed vaults, irreplacable book mines and underground storage facilities. These are subjects I used to keep and eye on alot but because they inevitably seemed to link up with all the fema camp stories, etc I had to stop looking into them because quite frankly, that stuff scares me shitless. I'm aware of all these things still 'happening' but I won't go near them these days because it was making me ill.

I believe that due to a minority of peoples plans for a NWO, that they had too (and still are) systematically breakdown countries by privatising the hell out of them and making sure that they all import more than they export, which subsequently destroys them from the inside out and renders them unable to fend for themselves. The results being that they owe so much debt that they shall forever be owned. I realise there's alot more to it than that, but that's it in a nutshell for me.

I believe in ET life without looking at any of the so called evidence as quite honestly, it takes some kind of fool to expect that WE are the only living species in the whole entire cosmos. It's a fucking ridiculous theory to think so.

I don't believe in lizards. Granted, I haven't researched the subject... but feel that we have enough to worry about without adding 'monsters' to the pot.

I don't believe the moon is a fucking spaceship that has been controlling us for x-amount of years either and for as long as I live, I won't even bother researching such utter nonsense... again, just my opinion.

I believe the banks and all associated with the printing and distribution of money are shadey fucks who consider us nothing more than slaves.

I also won't and can't entertain a hollow earth theory with various entrances in remote parts of the world which act as 'doors'.... there are SO many problems facing the world today and these kinds of stories just detract from the real shit that's happening all around us in the here and now.

FMTOL is way over my head so I have avoided it like the plague. I understand the basic concept but as the judicial system is one the most corrupt on the planet today, it's a total waste of time for anyone that trys to take it on.

As for 9/11.... I have again, barely touched this subject from a research point of view. I have however looked at if from the 'who would gain from this' angle and my gut instinct tells me it was an inside job and that they needed a war on terror for a multitude of reasons.

I believe the holocaust happened but as I have many reasons to believe we have been lied to over and over again throughout history, that it would stand to reason there's as much holes in the documented details as there is with so many other things.

I can't think of anything else at the moment so that will do.

andyh wrote: i read on jref a 200 orso pages thread where fmotl gets dismantled.

ofcourse you can say you dont wanna have anything to do with the law and refuse consent, but thatll still grant you jail time.

i even tried this for fun when arrested before i was sent to prison, in switzerland, and it didnt work out so well.

the state has the force, its not nice, but its reality.

im bit familiar with the history of this common law thing in the uk, but it wont work.cops dont do their jobs just for fun

ronisron wrote: the premise was to have free speech here but that didnt become reality.
free spech ,means it can offend other people sometimes.
when the community here still protects icke and i dont agree with that, i should be able to speak about it.
if you want the truth, everything must be open to criticism even selfproclaimed gods like icke.

if i told you i am god and obama is literaly an alien would you believe me?would you believe anything else is say?

icke has major cred issues if you ask me and his claims must be questioned.

I wouldn't want to stick my spoon into this mess of a thread but... Guys.... Could you just give up the garbage? Let's talk something else instead.

Don't beat me up, it's your fight, but isn't there something better to use your energy on?

ron is ron thinks ernst zundel is a hero



like that wil get anyone neareer some truth than any random trolling

The fmotl thing is of huge interest to me - philosophically it has some very sound principles - on a practical level it is as useful as a million person march against the iraq war - the fact is that courts refuse to acknowledge it has any standing in law - which in essence under the present system means it has, well, zero standing in law.

If the way in which the law was administered was changed or the system itself changed there is a chance that fmotl principals could become law should the new system or lack of embrace it - menard shot himself in the foot with his forged letter from a solicitors office - which if I remember correctly was shortly followed by a ban from ickes - the solicitors I believe are taking legal action.

@hada - i agree that icke has credibility issues and questioning of him just like anything else should be open and welcomed

hadabusa wrote: Have to say I missed that bit, not denying it, just saying. However, the internet is free speech, not every forum on it. I don't go on Stormfront banging on about the pro's of inter racial breeding, I'd expect to be kicked pretty sharpish if I did.
My idea of inter racial breeding would offend race purists and I'd expect to get short shrift on one of their sites, I wouldn't be bleating about freedom of speech.
You can as far as I can tell.
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Even the notion that freedom of speech means people can say what they want where they want.
Have you got proof?
Indeed. Question everything.

hadabusa wrote: There is such a thing as conflicting freedoms and although I would welcome anybody to this forum, if the person is so abusive as to deter other posters from joining or sticking around then that person spamming is in effect, inhibiting the freedom os speech of others. That sounds tenuous in theory but I guarentee you it is the reality in practice.
One very good example is vera Suza over on Sodlikeproductions.
Pages up pages of C&P posts repeated interspersed with incoherent ravings and some phrases that would turn the stomach the most thick skinned of us all.

Believeme when I say that if she turns up on your thread it is ruined. Unsubscribe and forget it.
hadabusa wrote:
Of course you are free to do so. No question about it.

You are certainly not the only Icke-skeptic/crtic here but likewise there are some people here that support him to a greater or lesser extent.

thoreau wrote:
The problem with FMOTL is it's been demonstrated time and again it simply does not work. It's just a load of mumbo-jumbo that has its origins in American tax protestors. The really bad thing about it is people have believed it and got themselves into real trouble.

Wanting to change the system is one thing - thinking you can waltz into court and bamboozle everyone into letting you off with some magic words is quite another. The whole thing seems to be dying now, so I think people are starting to realise.

What got me was the way so many of them were preoccupied with things like speeding tickets and vehicle registration - a lot of it seemed really self-centred.

I once asked Rob Menard why not just be an anarchist - he couldn't put together a response nor give any indication of what his ideological foundation was.
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