I think the issue of the (deliberate) shift in balance of power from the traditional Anglo-American / EU / NATO establishment to a Chinese-led world order encompassing Russia is neglected in the alternative media. Here is a video about General Motors to give one example:



All the focus in the alternative media is on the US and occasionally a potential conflict with China is mentioned, but it's not really talked about very much that China is going to become a phenomenally powerful economic force in the 21st century, far more unchallengaeble than the US has been, because it's in a hugely superior economic position to all of the completely broke Western countries, and has a vast, very disciplined and hard-working (and arguably brainwashed and programmed) population.

Yet the US is still giving aid to China:

www.usaid.gov/locations/asia/countries/china/

(note: the US federal government is actually paying the Chinese to help them convert to 'green energy' while nearly 50 million Americans are in receipt of food stamps).

...even though they are completely broke (literally the biggest debtor nation in history) and China are the richest country in the world (literally the biggest creditor nation in history), already the second biggest economy in the world, and will definitely overtake the US in the next few years. What will definitely happen, regardless of what sort of human resistance we see to the despicable plans of the globalists, is a steady but perceptible shift from a US-led world order to a Chinese-led world order.

This is happening now in many different ways, but I'm not going to post them all up on here as it would become a very long post indeed. I can back-up all these assertions with sources if required.

Incidentally, I posted this a while ago on the DIF, and it got precisely zero responses while some race war thread had about 3,000, so I'm hoping for at least one response this time!

Yes this is what is happenning.

I have read a bit about the British Empire and the Chinese elites, they are working together no doubt and it was the Brit/US imho that have shaped modern day China, and set up their Banks, hongs, and ofc now they are using the cheap labour there.


I had posted this in another thread here, but its pertinent so here is link...

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/33-Finance-and-B...ldsmith-in-1994.html

I don't really know which one is worse... Big brother USA telling people what to do and how to think, or chinese big brither doing the same. With the dictatorship USA barking next to it.

Hmmph.. But this is definitely happening, "Finnish" paper industry has also changed into StoraENSObeijing. I hear this stuff a lot about paper industry, I have friends working there. In my town the paperlords still have the Europes biggest paperfactory, which they will without doubt keep as an status symbol to show to their business partners. Surprisingy, I haven't yet seen a Chinese flag near their offices.. They tend to show whos visiting by having that countrys flag out there.

I wonder when chinese come here to buy their summercottages from lake Saimaa, like the Russians are already doing. Hehe....

I have to agree with your conclusions W.U.B. Empires are continuously shifting throughout history. It's almost a certainty that the next will be a Chinese empire. What I wonder though, is how that will play out. At the surface it does look like it's going in the direction the globalists want, like Novum has pointed out. I can't help but feel like there might be another element at play. Are they going along with the NWO plan, or are they playing the system for some other purpose?

Mrindigo wrote: This was the statement released in advance of the most recent BRICS conference (on the Council on Foreign Relations website, indeed):

www.cfr.org/brazil/brics-summit-delhi-declaration/p27805

I could go into great detail about this, but if you read through the whole statement, you will see that it is exactly the same globalist agenda that you will recognise from the Anglo-American-Israeli establishment. They don't want to challenge the NWO, they just want to lead it.

This sounds exactly like the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosp...hip_of_North_America
I could go on, but trust me, I've looked at this in great depth, and all the stuff coming out of the BRIC(S) conferences is the usual globalist rhetoric that you will have encountered before. This new power bloc just wants to "have more of a say" (ie. control) the global institutions that are put in place.

So increasingly you'll have a situation where the Anglo-American establishment comes into a position of conflict with the BRICS nations, this could be exacerbated with the situation over Syria and Iran. However, I really see it as more of a trade war, as, ultimately, all of the North American and European countries are flat broke. If the people allow it, we will end up possibly in similar circumstances to that which occurred in Argentina in 2001 (there are loads of very informative videos regarding this on Youtube, but the most important part of what happened was Argentina was flat broke, in piled the IMF and froze everyone's bank account. The people didn't like this too much. There was a lot of rioting for quite a long time). Greece is currently almost a beta test for this, and I feel quite confident that this is exactly what's happening; the bankers are raping Greece now, and carefully monitoring what sort of reaction they get against it for when they decided to take on the bigger nations in Europe (who are equally broke).

So at that point the BRICS could say "Christ, isn't this terrible? Of course, we can't have the US and European countries at the head of the World Bank and so forth when they're so unstable. Look how ordered and clean China is! We're all absolutely loaded as well! Why don't we have a Chinese-led world order from now on?!" And I'm sure you will see the US dollar lose its world reserve status, there will quite possibly be some sort of global currency proposed, backed by the Chinese currency.

That's what I reckon, anyway!

wake_up_bomb wrote:

Totally agree with all mate. Do well. Any mention of China on DIF and many other places is only pulled up when someone wants to bang on about..... WW3!! Which is really unhelpful and doesn't draw any logical conclusions.

You seem to know your shit bud, have you looked into the history of HSBC's holdings in China, (I mean over the past 100 or so years?)

boywonder wrote:
HSBC is the abbreviation of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation mate. it's absolutely Chinese.

10 points Feather!!

Yeah I did know what HSBC stands for. What I was getting at was if wub knows anything about how HSBC was used to subvert and take over massive amounts of the Chinese economy before being shipped off to Canary Wharf when control of Hong Kong passed back to China in 1997.

boywonder wrote:

I should stop trying to drive this thing while fighting sleep eh?



Carry on, nothing to see here.

boywonder wrote: There could be some sort of military stand-off at some time. This is quite possible. The only reason we're hearing about Iran, for example, is because they have 10% of the world's oil reserves. It's got absolutely nothing to do with what's happening in Iran. You very rarely hear a bad word about the Saudis, particularly on TV. Coincidentally, the US has a favourable relationship with the Saudis and the Saudis are a huge supplier of oil to the US, and the Bushes and the House of Saud famously had a close relationship.

But it's not really a supply and demand issue. When the US invades such countries, it's not so they can get access to the oil. It's because the banking-military-industrial structure which can pull the rug from under the US at any moment, who can literally crash its economy in a day if they choose to do so, wants control over it. They just use the US military to get what they want. This is actually the last plan of action. They will try to takeover the infrastucture using the World Bank, US Aid, IMF, etc first and put pressure on the political leaders. If this doesn't work they will try to run propaganda campaigns against the leaders, finance opposition, even fund radio stations and media within the nations. The CIA has done this all over the world. If this doesn't work they will try to assassinate the leader, or run a coup, or both. The CIA has also done this all over the world, as has MI5. And if this doesn't work they send in the troops.

You can read all about this in John Perkins' book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
Thanks, I wrote a book about these issues so I should theoretically know a bit about it.

As Feather says HSBC is the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corp. However, when you're looking at these mega-corporations whether HSBC, ExxonMobil, whoever it may be, they're often referred to as 'American' corporations, or 'Chinese', or whatever. Ultimately, they will ditch the United States completely tomorrow if they can make one extra dollar by doing so. At the moment, this isn't in their interest, but they know very well that China is the coming power, and that the Chinese workforce does more work for less money and asks less questions. That's why you see the likes of General Motors shifting production to China. All the banks and corporate people will love China because there isn't even the pretence of democracy. You only have to bribe one party. And you absolutely know that they're corrupt because they're the Communist Party of China! And the people don't demand any rights. And they can't even get access to the 'net like we can, so they don't know Monsanto was implicated in dumping Agent Orange on Vietnam and then washed its hands of any responsibility. So they just get the corporate propaganda and nothing else. So China is a wet dream for corporations. And, of course, they've also forged this alliance with Russia, and most of what I just said would apply to them. So it's a very fertile environment for money-makers and ultimately the banksters that control the whole system.

And, finally, the Chinese have virtually no government debt, Russia has reatively little and tonnes of oil, and the US and all the European nations are leveraged up to the eyeballs. Check it out:

www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

So they don't really have to do much, just sit there and watch us getting slowly boiled like a frog in a pot.boywonder wrote: Sorry I don't know anything about this at all. Do you? This is normal practice, though. I remember when they took over the Midland Bank. "The Listening Bank" they used to call themselves. I remember that they 'listened' to that offer very attentively!

I'm totally with you on all of that, but have you seen anything conclusive to suggest that Rothschild and co really did use HSBC to get control of China's finances?

I've heard people say that one beautiful day China could potentially tell the UN to fcuk off and withdraw from it completely. However, to date, all we've seen is China playing ball with the Rothschild/Elite power structures.

boywonder wrote: I'm not sure about this. I know the Rothschild's holding corporation has some sort of link with HSBC with regards to gold. You'd have to do some research to prove that conclusively. There are so many holding corporations and subsidiaries it is quite difficult to prove these things conclusively, certainly the Rothschilds and other banking families have done a very good job of hiding their tracks.
I think China will be more powerful and unchallengeable than the US at the height of its dominance. But I don't believe there is one country's political structure that can stand up to the banking structure and multintional corporations. If you look at a massive bank like Bank of China, ultimately if they're losing big money in China, they will ditch them and run a mile. And all these banks and corporations form allegiances and alliances with each other. They pretend to be in competition, but they're really in cahoots.

I believe that structure can bring anyone down, and no-one nation can stand up to it (well, the only people that can is the great mass of humanity). My view is that China will be more likely to increasingly exercise the power of veto at the UN, and / or ignore UN rulings (the US did this for decades) than leave it completely.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
hehe. Would be quite ironic to see another country do it for a change though huh?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
That they do indeed. Thats where the likes of Blackrock and Vanguard also come into play.

Most NYSE listed corps list those two as holders, be it banks, MIC, monsanto, you name it.

state street and fidelity also are another two...they all have holdings in eachother too, so without access to some serious software (which i suspect the likes of the SEC has) it is a googleplex of tangents that need to be followed and investigated...extremely difficult.

It Cant all be tracked period imo by any of us, but i suspect we would be looking at the top of the tree in regards to individuals, of which the royal houses of europe and their bankers would be a part of.

boywonder wrote: There will definitely be a few bruised egos!
novum wrote: I'm sure you're right. Ever seen this?

www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/...en-state-territories

Still, God Bless the Queen, can't wait to watch BBC's 60-year jubilee season...

wake_up_bomb wrote:
yes i have actually.

its interesting to note some australian cattle companies up in the mix...again most ASX listed companies, well all of the big ones from what ive seen anyway not most , track back to NYSE and LSE corporations.

and a conspiracy in a conspiracy...steve irwin was acquiring large amounts of land in Australia with his new found wealth thanks to his USA fans...then he was taken out by a stingray

and he had talked about people wanting to kill him when he was alive.

novum wrote:
I did not know this...

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Have you got your flags n shit ready, wubs? I hear it's gonna be a bumper schedule TV-wise. Makes me kinda wish I had an aerial.

Here's what I'm gathering in a simplified summary.

• They're more or less calling out the collapsing western centralized baking institutions, and the governments they've managed to absorb through indentured servitude.



• The west's inability to keep Israel on a leash, and more or less hinting at them intentionally stirring the pot to create terrorism.



• Showing that they've been holding things down with their nations,
• even if they're heavily populated.



• By showing how they hold 43% of the population, they're also in a sense saying they have sheer numbers, and should lead by right.



• There's also the bit about having some of the world's most bio-diverse land. That jumped out at me. They're biological goldmines.

Over all, I'm seeing this as saying that they feel the west has proven to be incompetent in it's leadership, and they feel they should take the reigns.