Ab Origine wrote: Let's just say I'm yet to put up my bunting.

I always keep a TV aerial just to spite the BBC.
Mrindigo wrote: Some people think Israel is the tail that wags the dog. Personally, I don't agree with this. I think Zionism is important, but it's just a means to an end.
Yeah, I think they also know that there is going to be social unrest in Europe, and indeed there already is. China in particular has its population very effectively locked down. Russia just doesn't allow dissent at all. And the Chinese are becoming, and will become more so, wealthy, so apart from the fact that they live in a totalitarian state, they don't have much to complain about.
Yeah, and I think they're also saying: "We will lead. It's an inevitability. Get used to it".
I'm not too sure about this, but they've been forging ties with countries that have strong mineral (obviously oil) reserves such as Venezuela.
That's pretty much my interpretation, although whether they really believe the West has been incompetent or whether they're just taking advantage of the situation, I don't know. These people do tend to end up believing their own publicity.

I had to leave your first comment to last, though, just so I could make this joke...

I wish the West was run by centralised baking institutions, I would love to live in a pie-driven world!

Sorry about that, it was an easy typo to make!

"Calling out" is a very good way of putting it. Just like calling a poker hand. You know, these are the cards we're holding, what have you got over there in the old power structure? Not a lot where we're sitting...

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I don't personally see them as the tail that wags the dog either. The US currently appears to be one of the most friendly with them, so I interpreted the statement as an indirect way of saying "Hey, you're vouching for them, do something about the Israeli and Palestinian animosity. It's bad for business." On Zionism, you and I have differing opinions. I don't view Zionism or Dominionism as vital, or any religious 'ism'. They may be vital to controlling parties though. Certainly the banking/globalist families have been utilizing it.

It does come off that way.

Certainly mineral and fossil fuel deposits are high on the list, but I wouldn't shrug off the impressive biodiversity of Brazil and India either. Rain forests are regarded as the lungs of the world, and both Brazil and India have large stretches of it. The plethora of life within them has yet to be fully discovered as well. New species are constantly being discovered. More importantly though, are the potential medicinal uses. Western influenced pharmaceutical and agricultural companies have been trying to push their way into those regions for a while. India last year filed a lawsuit against Monsanto for attempting to genetically modify regionally specific eggplants, and other plants of the forest areas. Monsanto tried to sell these GMO seeds back to them. Both industries are massive, and certainly have lobbied hands in international dealings. In my mind, it would make sense for the Brics nations to utilize these natural resources as another source of public related revenue. Using what one has to it's fullest extent is wise and efficient. They're already very self reliant in terms of medicine and nutrition, so I read their statement as asserting their independence from those industries.

I think they may be taking advantage of the situation as you've suggested; At least that's what I've gathered from some of their news casts and editorials. Russia Today seems to really take that to another level. They're like the alternative fox news.

Ha, I guess that explains western obesity.


I like the way you worded that. I picture the scenario being very much like that currently.

Mrindigo wrote:
they are already there of course.

see the link in my profile

<<< she is on the CFR, chatham house and more...as it says in the link.

they have huge operations in India, growing and exporting vegetables. this article/interview is when they just began...

someone i know who knows a bit about this and is in food here, told me that last time he looked into it the tonnages being exported daily were huge. sorry i cant find a link right now.

I could say more on this and some of the celebrities in my mind they have helping them sell the product by increasing demand but id start straying off topic and frankly most people would think im taking it too far...but i have my reasons for thinking what i think and evidence to link them.

And China also has large areas of arable land, cheap labour, and some major water infrastructure and dams, (hence irrigation water) which, unlike the west and south america, arent being hindered in development by the elite...case in point was a huge proposed dam in Brazil that was shut down while in construction due to pressure from 'environmentalists' , some of whom happen to be related to aforementioned link...you couldnt script this shit ...unfortunately for those caught in the cross fire...the elite do

That's more than I was aware of, Novum. I guess that's my sign to step out of this thread, as I'm clearly a moron. With that, I'll leave you folks to it.

Mrindigo wrote:
hey man dont need to talk like that

we're all learning here.

theres some very specific reasons why im aware of this one specific thing above and beyond some others, why i started looking into it

so dont sweat it.

Mrindigo wrote:
I've enjoyed your contribution Mrindigo. You know more than I do. I come onto forums like this to learn and want to thank everyone for this informative thread. Cheers

Mrindigo wrote: This is my view, this is why I said it's a means to an end. You know, some people get deeply into all that stuff about Jewishness and Judaism and the goyim and all that, for me that's a load of tosh. I don't believe for one second that the Zionists actually believe in Zionism, it's just used to advance the ascent of powerful people and agendas.
These are all good points. I think the coalition between the BRICS and the other less formal allegiances they have made could be summed up as being a coalition of resources and commodities. China has been acquiring gold and silver until it bleeds. Russia has huge oil reserves (most of Europe is dependent on this, not the UK, though, we get most of our oil from Norway). And then there's all the stuff you mention here. They're trying to create a very powerful infrastructure that will be hugely economically competitive when it becomes clear that the Western economies are on the wane. It should be pretty clear now, but some people are a bit slow on the uptake.
Absolutely. I always say about RT, it's an anti-US / NATO and, to a certain extent, EU propaganda station. Luckily, they don't need any propaganda, they just have to tell the truth!

BTW, I think you've made a very good contribution to this topic and are a very, very long way from being a moron. We sincerely need more people that are interested in learning more about geopolitics and what's going on around them, rather than what storage capacity the new iPhone has. I only learnt most of what I know from listening to people that at the time knew monumentally more than me. I like to think I've closed the gap slightly, but, as they say "wisdom is knowing how little you know".

wake_up_bomb wrote:
/\ All of the above

I know nothing about this stuff but I still read it all in the hope that some of it sinks in and I can get a better grasp of these subjects.

Appreciate ALL (yes indy I'm talking to you too lad ) of the contributions so far. Keep them coming

Thank you for the kind words everyone. I've been a little touchy lately due to some personal issues. Thank you all for being patient with me, I appreciate it. I'd like to offer my heart-felt apologies.

Mrindigo wrote:
No apologies necessary mrindigo.

I for one, love your posts and hope to see many more of them in the future!