dubmeup wrote:
Thanks. You know is my last attempt to be on the conspiracy forums. I have seen control and censorship beyond measure on the conspiracy forums. I had a great opportunity to practice assertiveness skills because I can’t stand control and lies. They didn’t save me as I got twice Trojans. Well, if something doesn’t kill you it will make you stronger. I just had to learn more about computer.
But it is not healthy for anybody to stay in the environment where the boundaries are blurred and posts are deleted.
I strongly believe that if people don’t have freedom to speak their mind……..the conspiracy forums function like a cult. I have never been a cult follower. I love freedom.

I hope that psketti and novum will clarify and answer my questions.......or ban me.

@ftil gotta echo dubs - questioning decisions here is welcomed as is our input - personally I hope that you stick around and see what I mean when I talk about moderating ourselves and not having to worry about heavy censorship - I very much doubt anyone will want to see you banned just for asking a question though question everything and all that

thoreau wrote:
I am a female but I have guts to speak my mind. I don’t make a quick judgment and when I speak up I don’t react but think before. I can’t stand any form of control. It is not my fault….I was born that way. I can’t stand injustice either. I don’t control others and I don’t let others control me. A few have tried and have failed miserably.

BTW, if I were banned…….it is not the end of the world. I have happily said goodbye to two conspiracy forums recently.
I need a clear answer from the mods to see if it is alternative to DI forum ....... or an identical replica.

fair play to you (also a female and just as feisty when I want to be)

I shall be keeping my fingers crossed that you stay

thoreau wrote:
Nice to meet you. Oh, I like determined women. I don't want to sound sexist......but men should retire from running this world.
But I am not a feminist.

ftil wrote:
On the banning, that wont happen ftil. Unless the forum guidelines are broken repeatedly and you dont seem a candidate for that based on previous postings of yours elsewhere.

Over there you were not allowed to engage with moderators to this extent and start threads about it, so i hope you can acknowlege that as a positive. You wont be banned here for arguing or debating with moderators or their decisions.

ftil wrote:

to be perfectly blunt and honest my issue with those posts was that they were centered around comments/accusations that sean and moderators on the DIF were supportive of pedophilia.

I, and other members i was conversing with at the time, took issue with those posts, and the direction the thread was heading, and deleted them, cant be more honest than that.

We never asked for a declaration of war, but whether we like it or not seems there is one now. The question is, how far do we all want to take this as a community here.

Do we want this to turn into accusing sean and admin/mods over there that they are condoning pedophilia? I did feel at the time that we were straying into an off topic area and/or perhaps crossing the line.

So those posts were deleted. As i already said it is as simple as that.

ftil wrote:
Please understand psketti is on UK time and it was early...yes not late, early. She is human after all and she was involved in that thread at the time. It was a highly charged affair, i understand that. Perhaps she didnt want to go there again, though i cant speak for her, i am only replying because she is away now.

And perhaps the community consensus is that they dont want it brought up here again and see history repeating.

We could always have a vote if you like

novum wrote:

Hey, you have deleted all my posts. So, it is not an alternative to DI forum but exactly the same replica. The same method of power and control. Well, I am not surprised. I have been on a few conspiracy forums.

Could you do me a favor? Can you close my account immediately!!!!!!!

ftil wrote:
All of the posts are still there. Just unpublished. Same as everyone else that quoted you and were removed.

I am more than happy to admit i could be wrong. I know i pissed people off including bluegrazz and i apologise for that.

Would you like a community review of the posts and what they think about the general direction of the thread?

They can be placed in a new thread and discussed.

Does that interest you at all or do you want to leave now?

whats the deal with Bluegrazz? is he just a busy body or a mole? Whats with him being a direct stream of info from this site to I_am?

ftil, how many of the posts you have made in this thread would have been allowed on the DIF?

badfish wrote:

He did seem to take an unhealthy amount of pleasure in the 'unfolding drama'.

Ab Origine wrote:

There are a lot of newcomers here who I think are unaware of what we are really all about here at SZ.

You must understand first and foremost that those of us who left DIF a long time ago (myself included) have no wish to go back to DIF, nor do we really want to hear about DIF.

Now you newcomers might, you might have an axe to grind for whatever reason or you might just enjoy the 'thrill' of the silly carry on but to be frank I don't and many of the original ones who came here don't.

There's a difference between free speech and just being a tit. If you like DIF then go post on DIF, if you like here then post on here but for crying out loud contribute to the community here if you stay. Otherwise your membership is pointless.

Sean starting that thread on DIF has only made matters even worse. We'd like this to be a totally open a good forum community with lots of good informative posts but its kind of difficult to have that with this DIF bullshit bumping decent threads down, its really bloody annoying :/

As for hadabusa he is gone, whatever he said to sean is between him and sean.

andyh wrote:
I would be in total agreement with you there Andy but the fact remains that the bold part is not completely true. Had it been said in a personal email between the two parties concerned then you would be absolutely correct, but it wasn't (to my knowledge). It was said HERE on OUR forum. Implicating every single one of us with his careless ignorance! I understand people being passionate but there is a line. I also understand that he's "not here to defend himself" but to be perfectly honest there IS NO defense for what he's done!

You place a turd next to a pie and sooner or later that pie's gonna taste like shit.

phemohilia wrote:
IIRC didn't he say he was emailing sean in the same thread?

andyh wrote:
You could be right about that, it's all rather hazy for me. So much was being posted at the time that a lot of it just ran together. Point still being that he posted what he did here, on the forum, therefore implicating the forum in his personal tirade.

phemohilia wrote:
Well that was my impression and his personal tirade was his personal tirade afaik.

phemohilia wrote:
Yet another excellent SZ forum 'tagline', I feel.

We should be keeping these in a thread all their own, somewhere.

andyh wrote:
Nice try to hide the issue under the carpet. If you want to defend the mods you need to think harder to argue your point. First, it was on a thread where people discussed and voiced their opinion and experience with DI mods. The thread was opened a few days ago but you didn’t have a problem about that since you didn’t question or protest against newbie’s taking about their experience.

Second, there was no rant there. You can’t see it because the posted have been deleted. Bluegrazz didn’t say anything that was inappropriate but further asked for a clarification. I said what I needed to say about that subject. Saying that it was tit is silly and a poor attempt to protect the mods.
Honesty is much better.

Finally, I am not a person who can waste my time talking about others. I say what I need to say and let it go. But this issue is important if we want to be called mature. You may close your eyes pretending that the problem doesn’t exist. But as adults, if we can’t stand up and protect all children we are a total failure not deserving being called human!!!


LOL! Are you saying that this forum is better because I was allowed to make, I think it were three posts about that subject, before they were deleted? Or perhaps, this forum is better because I wasn’t banned.

I am wondering if we have already forgotten what freedom means. I mean freedom in a whole meaning of this word.
Or perhaps, forums were quite successful to indoctrinate us. I hope not as most visitors to conspiracy forums are not active.

ftil wrote:
No. I'm saying you have the freedom to challenge the moderation without being punished for that in itself. Unlike other places.

When I signed up for this forum I must have missed the bit where it says you can post what you want, where you want, when you want with impunity, could you point it out to me please?

You do know freedom comes with responsibility right?