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Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy. The term self-sufficiency is usually applied to varieties of sustainable living in which nothing is consumed outside of what is produced by the self-sufficient individuals. Examples of attempts at self-sufficiency include simple living, homesteading, off-the-grid, survivalism, DIY ethic and the back-to-the-land movement. Practices that enable or aid self-sufficiency include autonomous building, permaculture, sustainable agriculture, and renewable energy. The term is also applied to limited forms of self-sufficiency, for example growing one's own food or becoming economically independent of state subsidies. Read more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency

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Re: The veg grower's thread 14 May 2012 15:25 #21

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andyh wrote:
I'm surprised actually, it looks like theres people in the uk and ireland growing virginia quite successfully and curing it and shredding it.
I'm wondering if I should get a variety as I hear they can be quite attractive when flowering.

Yeah tiz pretty. You often see it in hanging baskets as well as borders. It likes the climate here. I'm not sure that the nicotiana we grow for flowers is quite the stuff for smoking though. I did try it once which is why I warned against it :D
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Re: The veg grower's thread 14 May 2012 17:37 #22

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I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 00:22 #23

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I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

I,d safely say they are golden virginia :)
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 00:23 #24

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Griswald wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

I,d safely say they are golden virginia :)

GRIS!!!!! :D :D :D


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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 00:29 #25

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andyh wrote:
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The Apprentice wrote:
I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

I,d safely say they are golden virginia :)

GRIS!!!!! :D :D :D


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I,d say there are a lot of rockers here :chuckle:
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 00:32 #26

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I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

Sure you could take up smoking, or use them for shielding your veggies, when they hit 6 feet :killinme:
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 00:49 #27

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Griswald wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

Sure you could take up smoking, or use them for shielding your veggies, when they hit 6 feet :killinme:

Haha got striaght into the emoticons then gris :smoking: :roflha:
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 01:06 #28

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dubmeup wrote:
Griswald wrote:
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I will find out what kind I have from where I got them and let you know H, they are only an inch high but really starting to show some growth. God knows what I'm going to do with the giants they turn into.

Sure you could take up smoking, or use them for shielding your veggies, when they hit 6 feet :killinme:

Haha got striaght into the emoticons then gris :smoking: :roflha:

Hard to miss them :killinme:
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 12:56 #30

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The Apprentice wrote:
As they say in Dublin............howya bud :)

I might have known you,d turn up in the veggie plot, spreading charcoal dust no doubt..black gold.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 13:13 #31

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Griswald wrote:
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As they say in Dublin............howya bud :)

I might have known you,d turn up in the veggie plot, spreading charcoal dust no doubt..black gold.

If it works, why not :)
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 13:33 #32

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dubmeup wrote:
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As they say in Dublin............howya bud :)

I might have known you,d turn up in the veggie plot, spreading charcoal dust no doubt..black gold.

If it works, why not :)


Oh, I know it works, I use it myself :)

Along with copper tools, crushed limestone powder from my recent well drilling, along with copper sulphate for the old taters. :)
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 17:06 #33

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Do you use the dust straight on the ground or do you do the composting 'terra preta' type thing?

I ask cos I do use wood ash and smashed up embers but i've never used charcoal specifically.

I've read some stuff about those chaps trying to recreate terra preta in Britain which was fascinating but you need low temp fired charcoal for that it seems which is an issue for most of us I'd suspect.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 17:44 #34

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Bonjouneo Gris mate, glad you came along.
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Last Edit: 15 May 2012 18:05 by The Apprentice.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 17:57 #35

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dubmeup wrote:
Do you use the dust straight on the ground or do you do the composting 'terra preta' type thing?

I ask cos I do use wood ash and smashed up embers but i've never used charcoal specifically.

I've read some stuff about those chaps trying to recreate terra preta in Britain which was fascinating but you need low temp fired charcoal for that it seems which is an issue for most of us I'd suspect.

Charcoal or the next stage which is wood ash does the same job and absorbs Co2 into the ground and indo trenches create the best vedges, the Co2 is the main ingredient and the indo worm converted hot beds is prolific fertiliser and akin to as high a yield compared to todays, the older elderado is far the greater provider without destroying the soil integrity.

We apply one good handful of wood ash to the square meter and amongst the mix is broken down limestone from the hearth which the trifolia loves which we leave in situ to fix more goodies.

We plant tight so the soil is covered so it doesn't dry out so less watering and cooling the top surface of the growing platform.

All else we use is home grown compost which we dig in an area the size of the mature root bed where the plants will eventually be inserted a fortnight before the actually go into the ground.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 18:51 #36

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That's quite similar to how I use the ash and smashed up charcoaly bits really. Have you come across this idea of using it in compost? It's an idea that intrigues me.

Like you I don't like to see soil. Mother nature abhors barren ground. On the farms, it's different but at home I plant in blocks with everything tight as you describe. The benefits of this are great. My father and grandfather would have gone nuts at this. They were row men. Everything in rows, neat as you like and laid out with string!
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 20:21 #37

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dubmeup wrote:
That's quite similar to how I use the ash and smashed up charcoaly bits really. Have you come across this idea of using it in compost? It's an idea that intrigues me.

Like you I don't like to see soil. Mother nature abhors barren ground. On the farms, it's different but at home I plant in blocks with everything tight as you describe. The benefits of this are great. My father and grandfather would have gone nuts at this. They were row men. Everything in rows, neat as you like and laid out with string!

When our plot is mature it becomes a single block with no gaps and towers poking above the lower canopy we use a staff to seperate each plant diagonally, hardly a gap to be seen and very little weeds and birds servicing the grubs for free at the perifery, their nests and young bobbing up and down the rows all the food they needed too.

Charcoal has been natures great fertiliser of the past and what has helped to lower the Co2 levels of earths history together with the lushness of what grew in the black gold.
When the first western explorers discovered the Americas they found vast forests where there now lies vast praries, the first explorers were murdered and left behind horses which.the natives and true watchers of nature tamed them to hunt bufalloa predominantly forest dwelling beast and a culmination of new life styles and skills the buggers burned down the forests to hunt the animals in the open on horseback.

Nature and man again are coming full circle and depleting the richness and seasonal nutrality that came before. As we use less and less ground and force it into life our culinary freedoms are being errored decade by decade as the exotics are wasting our gital free energies and why we opt for the good type of life for the best food that nature and our hands can provide, where less high quality means one needs less of it.

Charcoal and mother load go hand in hand and in the end we will come to reley on nature but a few will only enjoy.
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Re: The veg grower's thread 15 May 2012 21:16 #38

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Griswald wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Griswald wrote:
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As they say in Dublin............howya bud :)

I might have known you,d turn up in the veggie plot, spreading charcoal dust no doubt..black gold.

If it works, why not :)


Oh, I know it works, I use it myself :)


Yep Victor knew a thing or two about Gaia.

The story and the tools for those interested

www.implementations.co.uk/site/home

We made our own tools but some dare not use them ;) :)

Along with copper tools, crushed limestone powder from my recent well drilling, along with copper sulphate for the old taters. :)
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I buggered that last post up somehow missed the end quote I think.
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The Apprentice wrote:
I buggered that last post up somehow missed the end quote I think.

Aint just me that does that then :D
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