www.vice.com/en_uk/read/rome-hosted-a-eu...t-party-this-weekend

Here it is. Related or coincidence?

Pro Russia? Not these Nazis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)
nor these
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector

Though they ain't pro EU either.

They would much rather be a part of russia than the eu put it that way.

andyh wrote:
From what I have been reading of their speeches it's "Everybody out except Ukrainians!"

Jews, Communists, Russian-speakers, non-"whites", are all "enemies".

They don't want the EU but they are taking Western money.

From this chaos, what Order is to be gotten?

Cui Bono?

A parliamentarian and member of the Fatherland party, Parubiy had a prominent role on the ground during the Euromaidan protests as so-called commander of the protest camp.

Parubiy was active in the struggle for Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, which was achieved in 1991, and was one of the leaders of the 2004 Orange Revolution.

Another prominent activist who was rewarded, or compensated, for being beaten during the protests, Chernovil, 34, rose to fame for her investigations into top Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs. Two of her most renowned pieces of research were on the alleged organised crime connections of one of Ukraine's most wealthy businessmen, Rinat Akhemetov, and the Yanukovych's lavish countryside estate, Mezhyhirya, on the outskirts of Kiev.

When Yanukovych fled Ukraine, Chernovil posted on her Facebook page that she had been among the first to enter a property that she had investigated from the outside for so long.

During the Euromaidan protests, of which she was a vocal part, Chernovil's car was rammed off the road and she was badly beaten by her assailants. At the time police claimed the attack had been motivated by "road rage" but Chernovil dismissed the claim as "ridiculous" and said the assault was clearly linked to her work. Her precise role in government remains unclear.

This is all about gas IMHO, perhaps even mineral rights but it certainly has f*ck all to do with the Ukrainian people and what they actually want.

@human spirit

Well, they're also an ethnicity, and they, like anybody else, should be free to live anywhere they want.

Karlin-Stolin (Hasidic dynasty) Jewish folks like the rabbi in the story, don't proselytise.

In fact, the whole idea of conversion to Judaism is unwelcome among these.

[Ethnicity shouldn't come into it should it?

The average person would benefit greatly if they dumped organised religion IMHO

mikey mikey wrote:
Ethnicity shouldn't come into it should it? otherwise it opens up the question of if it's ok for one ethnic group to be exclusive then other ethnic groups can be exclusive.
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I am just pointing out that all the time man/womankind has been on the earth and some people are still holding on to out dated rituals and beliefs.

humanspirit wrote:
You do realise that Ukrainian atheists of Jewish parents will be persecuted should Right Sector get the chance. don't you?

I don't agree with any form of violence just because somebody is different,that would be cretinous.

I am just pointing out that all the time man/womankind has been on the earth and some people are still holding on to out dated rituals and beliefs.

Obviously the belief in being violent for reasons stated above is out dated but so is the fact you can't marry somebody else because that person is not part of an out dated little clique.

I don't agree with Right Sector or any Neo Nazis,I would personally intervene if anybody was being victimised if i thought i was capable.

humanspirit wrote:
Absolutely yep, this is why evolutionary stuff like the venus project is something that'll never happen in our lifetimes.

andyh wrote:
Showing my ignorance i haven't looked at the venus project.

So in the short term how do level headed people deal with the various outdated beliefs our forefathers passed on to the next generation?

So how can you make people more accepting and tolerant of each other in the mean time or is it just a matter of killing each other?