oioioi wrote:
I agree, evidence is important to solidify a concept, idea, and experience. The reason being is because not everyone may have experienced what you have. It also serves to weed out swindlers and charlatans. Without it, it requires an act of 'faith'. Faith can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands, as history has shown. Having reserves on a subject like this is not only prudent, it's essential. It's nice to see someone such as yourself take a stance of neutrality given the above, Oi.

I'm of the Socratic school of thought re learning, we once 'knew' everything, when we take human form we forget it all then through experience we learn/remember. Therefore I don't believe anything that can come to mind, through whatever means, can be anything other than forgotten knowledge. My personal experience of this is a recurring dream theme of 'flying', I awake certain that I know how to do it but my waking human form somehow misses a fine detail. Having also seen (induced) images of reptiles/demons/etc. I can only conclude that as an image they too are part of that forgotten knowledge, how they came to be known in the first place is the mystery.

oioioi wrote:
I've encountered a shape shift before. I have posted it elsewhere but I'll do it here as well:

One sober evening I was sat chilling and chatting with a friend. We were very relaxed and comfortable in eachother's company.
When she was a teenager, this friend stepped off a pavement and was hit by a passing car. She was pretty fekked up and spent a good while in a coma (not sure if it was induced or not)

Anyway, in mid convo, the person I was talking to faded out and was replaced with a Grey. I was a bit freaked at first but the Grey began to communicate with me telepathically. It was explained to me that He/She/It had been dis-incarnate at the time of the accident. They realised that my friend was dying and had took the chance to do a bit of mutual help by going in to the body, with the consent of my friend. At that point they'd fused with my friend so to speak and got her through to the point of full recovery. They've lived in the same body ever since. I don't know how long this conversation lasted but after a while the Grey faded out and my friend came back. My friend looked at me knowingly and said, "you ok?" I said yeah and asked if she was. She said yup it's all good and we never spoke of it again.....
This is not my only experience of such things by a long way but it certainly helps me to not discount the idea of shape shifters

Many of you have mentioned things which I don't feel like repeating here... Well, what god me into David Icke and his theories etc, at the time before I joined DIF, late 2009 I was digging into knowledge about all things paranormal & conspiracy, I don't know what sparked the interest for that time, I just felt this is something I need to look into.

Then I repeatedly ran into name David Icke and decided to find out what this guy is up to.

And his theories and stuff, I don't buy all that he says, reptiles and moonmatrix go quite a bit over the board... Sort of, maybe.. About reptiles, I don't know what to say or think, sounds like bs, but I have seen person with sliteyes. What that is, I don't know.

Well, the stuff that really rings the bell is what Icke says about "the system" and TPTB... Problem, reaction, solution etc. Makes sense... And in his videos he seems to have "down to earth" kind of attitude, which I like.

I would just wish he would address the problems on the forums...

dubmeup wrote:
Interesting. How have you not had a convo about it though?

As for the bolded bit, what makes you say this? Have you seen the grey since or is it...I dunno, what is it?

oioioi wrote:
It sort of felt like everything that needed to be said was said in the convo I guess.

The bolded bit, what I meant was that it was many years after the accident that this convo took place. The Grey said that they'd shared the body up till then. I should have said "they'd" not "they've" I've moved on since then and lost touch so couldn't say if they are still together.

The Biggest Secret blew my mind when I read it, there were a lot of things in that book that I had thought about for a while and it was good to see a comprehensive, well written book which detailed, and I'll say it, confirmed a lot of the things I believed. Subliminals, corrupt political systems, assassinations, 9/11, interdimensions, mind control..... even a hollow earth theory to ponder. Since then I've changed or modified some of my thoughts on certain things, but that book and then seeing video taped lectures, reading the archives on Icke.com... it really impacted me at the time. This was about 10 years ago.

Icke also turned me on to other researchers too.

To be honest with you all, I don't hate Icke but I admire in him in some way. The reason is that he is saying all these unproven things with a straight face, is a brilliant speaker and I agree he does have that 'Bloke in the Pub' appeal around him. Icke, has done a good thing, he has bought a lot of LIKEMINDED people together and when I hear of some no mark like Ciggy badmouthing Icke, then my support will be with Icke regardless or not whether I support him or not!!!
David Icke is a very complex man, but as this is the clean slate forum for me, all I can say is if he is making loads of money by his talks, then so be it!!! That Peru jaunt was a disaster though cos it sort of backfired against him but he could of just done something a bit more private. Anyway, I am not a Sodite forumite anymore (I am not welcome there), all I will say is that he does rile the RIGHT PEOPLE though and it was his book on 9/11 that blew my mind and I did enjoy listening to that talk in Oxford.

Lady Tis-Shine wrote:
Aint no denying that!

I found Mr Icke on wikipedia after following some links...then watched some of the youtube vids of him, saw that he is a great speaker, with a sense of humor mixed in that also made me laugh at times, despite the seriousness of the issues at hand...which is good i think.

*hangs head in shame* Never read a word of David Icke, his research, or any of his books *ducks* now just hold on a minute before you start trying to bash me in the head for this... while I have never read his work, my mother has and I hear a bit about him and his work from her (and from what I read online). But from what I have heard, I gotta say what appeals to me about him is his willingness to speak out, do the research, and continue to try and put the dots together for people who refuse to attempt it themselves (I am sure we all know at least one person who could have 20 things in front of them but refuse to connect the dots themselves and need to be spoon fed).
Ok...now the beatings may begin.

StarsChildren wrote:


LOL!