Hello everyone,

This is my first post. A few days ago a thread was deleted on the DI forum that had a link to a documentary "David Icke debunked" which I really want to discuss. This is what actually brought me here. I did watch the whole of the doc before it got deleted and it really made me look at David from a different side. Although it has a quite pronounced christian bias, it's well reasearched and many things there make sense. It also has a lot of footage with David where he looks very different from what he does in his public presentations. Nothing left of his charisma and energy as we usually see him, at times he looks and sounds simply brainwashed if not mind controlled. It was a pretty shocking site for me. Have a look here:



It's long but worth watching through. I would really like opinions on that

elfspirit wrote: You could say that, yeah. Apparently everyone's wrong apart from him:

conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/videos/

Oh, and what's written in the bible, of course, which is all also correct. (No offence intended to any Christians here, of which I know there is one, I just find Mr. White to be a total shyster).

Sorry if that was a bit harsh, elfspirit, it's just my opinion, welcome to the forum, I'm sure many people will agree with you and disagree with me. I am just very suspicious of someone who has made dozens of films 'debunking' various people, and then dozens attempting to prop up and buttress his own belief system.

Welcome a aboard - have watched the film myself and there was some interesting info in there - ruined for me by the religious bias - I think that scrutinising ickes decisions and business is as valid a scrutinising any other person who holds them self up as a 'deliverer of truth' - shouldnt be difficult to debunk the debunkers if they are lying or telling half truths - but that would need open discussion and transparency from icke and team icke - which is something I am not holding my breath for.

icke must hate that video

It's been around for at least a year or two, his productions are really good and he's a really nice guy, very personable, unlike Icke who seems to have an entrenched bureaucracy of twerps to defend him from criticism.

I openly dislike White's religious and White Supremacist views on Religion and "Missionary Work", but his analysis of the truth movement is actually second to none, and currently stands un-refuted by either Icke, Tsarion or any of their supporters to my knowledge.

Yes the christian propaganda was truly offputting, but the fact that he channels the same entities as Bailey for me is a real proof that he's a disinfo, whether unaware or not is still a question.

Guevarista wrote: Here are his beliefs:

conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/beliefs/

How would he like it if I went through the Bible and said: "look what this fucking loony believes! He believed Jesus turned water into wine, that Moses parted the Red Sea, that Eve was made out of one of Adam's ribs, that a snake started talking to someone, that Noah managed to cram thousands of animals into a boat, that Mary became pregnant without getting...what a nutcase.". You get the general idea. But that's exactly what he's doing. If his material is so great, let it stand up on its own. 'Debunking' is for those who doubt the sturdiness of their own argument.elfspirit wrote: I don't really get into all that stuff, I prefer to stick to things that are documented, and you've at least got a chance of proving.

WUB ad hominem is not an accepted form of refutation, despite what you may believe, what White believes does nothing to discredit the overall nature of that video specifically or his research in general.

elfspirit wrote:
Oh Lordie not this again

Guevarista wrote: I refer you to my comment of some moments ago.

How would he like it if I went through the Bible and said: “look what this fuck­ing loony believes! He believed Jesus turned water into wine, that Moses parted the Red Sea, that Eve was made out of one of Adam’s ribs, that a snake started talk­ing to some­one, that Noah man­aged to cram thou­sands of ani­mals into a boat, that Mary became preg­nant with­out getting…what a nut­case.”

That is exactly what he's doing in his video. The only difference is that the Judeo-Christian traditional text has many more believers so it has attained a certain sort of tacit acceptance.

Again, I must emphasise, I'm not attacking people who believe those things. Good luck to them. Anyone can believe anything they want, for me, as long as it doesn't infringe upon others' rights and liberty. I just find it somewhat hypocritical what White is doing. Is he really 'debunking' these people because he has strong evidence that they're incorrect, or is it more because they've all said stuff that challenges his beliefs?

How can you debunk David Icke? You can't just 'debunk' a person.

They'd have to disprove everything he has ever said.., does this vid do that?

Space Bandit wrote:
The guy who made this vid also did the same thing for ALL conspiracy researchers basically.
Bible blah blah, he probably takes exception at Icke not mentioning the rapture.

elfspirit wrote:
G'day Elfspirit.

Welcome to the forum.

I watched the video around 18 months to 2 years ago now, so I'd have to sit down and rewatch it to familiarise myself with the content. I do know that Chris White has a definite christian bias with his material, yet the bible is full of as much ridiculous material as Icke's stuff is. Is there anything in particular that you are interested in discussing in relationship to what is presented in the video ?

I noticed that you made mention of "he channels the same entities as Bailey" in another post. Icke has made a LOT of claims of channeling entities, from Saint Germain to Magnu. There is some information upon this thread ... www.infinite-love-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4252 ... that may be of interest to you.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
G'day Wake_Up_Bomb.

That's utter bull shit.

Chris White (while I do not agree with his religious views) supports his commentary of Icke with documented evidence, which includes direct quotes from Icke himself. That is nothing like what you have written as a comparison, let alone "exactly" as you have fallaciously claimed.

A closer example would have been ...

It is doubtful whether a figure such as 'Jesus' even existed, let alone that he 'turned water into wine', especially considering that Heron of Alexandria had invented the Amphora for the purposes of duping people into falsely believing that turning water into wine was a miraculous event and not simply trickery.

How to turn water into wine (and vice versa)

The amphora of Heron of Alexandria (fl. AD 62), the mathematician and inventor called o mechanikós, allows to pour either water or wine from the same vessel. The amphora is divided into two compartments by a vertical partition wall, while an opening leads the liquid from each compartment to a common spout at the foot. Inside the neck there is a round wall with small holes, like a sieve; and, at the top of each half, air holes have been made near the handles. If when the spout at the bottom is shut, wine is poured into the neck of the amphora, it can only fill the half whose air hole is open. Later the other half may be filled with water, using the same procedure. When the neck has been closed, either water or wine can be poured from the same spout, if the right air hole is obstructed with a finger.

www.maicar.com/GML/Wine.html

It is more likely that such trickery was performed for gullible individuals to spread a story of a miraculous event than any miraculous event actually having taken place.

... yet you totally misrepresent the manner in which Chris White presents his information by presenting a strawman argument to beat up on.

ahh are you Sod? aka KOTM, aka Truesilly, aka Tiswas?

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
lmfao...

The guys just another xtian freakshow. Spare wub the shite.

Guevarista wrote:
G'day GUevarista.

No !!!

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Quite right......















You're MUCH worse

andyh wrote:
G'day Andyh.

Thanks for that well thought out intellectual response.

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
After spending enough time looking at Chris Whites numerous pathetic efforts believe me, it is.
He's just as bad as Makow. Its like having your teeth pulled out with pliers while trying to read Sylvia Plath at the same time.