andyh wrote:
Yes, it a standard for conspiracy forum.
But I guess you have missed something.....why don't you read this thread...you may reduce your anxiety.

ftil wrote:
I have read it
You seem to be under this strange misconception that you can join a forum with rules and somehow break them.

There are other forums which allow true free speech such as stormfront if you care to try it
Or you could just start your own forum and have a total free speech rule

ftil wrote:
I care not so it isn't bad news.

I'm also very bored now.

ftil wrote:
How am i limiting what members want to say when i encouraged phem to create a new more specific thread about his concerns, if he wanted to?

That is far from limiting.

ftil wrote:
No, i didnt. I merely suggested to phem that starting a new thread with his concern would ensure that it would have more attention on it than it would being posted 5 pages into another thread.

I also had another reason, we can only add polls/votes to the OP, so if phem wanted to bring up banning a member, we would have a vote.

Understand? I cant go adding a poll about banning a member to your OP now can i, it would confuse everybody as it is quite clearly a seperate issue whether you say so or not.

psketti wrote:
Good ...we have arrived at the same place as I am also bored to tears after your last post.

A few quotes about freedom and censorship from wise people.
Just to refresh what we might have forgotten.

It is a pearl posted by Oliver at Avalon1. A story when mods and members were banned, posts and threads deleted.

Freedom and censorship
projectavalon.net/forum/showt...=17931&page=19


We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still. ~ John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. ~ Henry Steele Commager

The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen. ~ Tommy Smothers

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.
~ Potter Stewart

We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and
hazard. ~ Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764

The dirtiest book of all is the expurgated book. ~ Walt Whitman

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.~ Voltaire

The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error. ~ John Stewart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

Books won't stay banned. They won't burn. Ideas won't go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas.~ Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York times, 24 February 1959
Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. ~ Abbott Joseph Liebling “Do you belong in Journalisn, New Yorker, 4 March 1960

A free press can be good or bad, but, most certainly, without freedom a press will never be anything but bad. ~ Albert Camus

To reject the word is to reject the human search. ~ Max Lerner, 1953, on book purging

Nature knows no indecencies; man invents them. ~ Mark Twain,Notebook, 1935


What progress we are making. In the Middle Ages they would have burned me. Now they are content with burning my books. ~ Sigmund Freud, 1933

Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

Every burned book enlightens the world. Ralph Waldo Emerson

The paper burns, but the words fly away. ~ Akiba Ben Joseph

Did you ever hear anyone say, "That work had better be banned because I might read it and it might be very damaging to me? ~ Joseph Henry Jackson

If you don't have this freedom of the press, then all these little fellows are weaseling around and doing their monkey business and they never get caught. ~ Harold R. Medina

Obscenity is not a quality inherent in a book or picture, but is solely and exclusively a contribution of the reading mind, and hence cannot be defined in terms of the qualities of a book or picture. ~Theodore Schroeder

Assassination is the extreme form of censorship. ~ George Bernard Shaw

I believe in censorship. I made a fortune out of it. ~ Mae West

Censorship feeds the dirty mind more than the four-letter word itself.~ Dick Cavett

The test of democracy is freedom of criticism. ~David Ben-Gurion

If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. ~ John Stuart Mill, 1859

To choose a good book, look in an inquisitor’s prohibited list.~ John Aikin

We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~ John F. Kennedy

God forbid that any book should be banned. The practice is as indefensible as infanticide.~Rebecca West

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~ Naom Chomsky

Take away the right to say "****" and you take away the right to say "**** the government. ~ Lenny Bruce

Every human being has a right to hear what other wise human beings have spoken to him. It is one of the Rights of Men; a very cruel injustice if you deny it to a man! ~ Thomas Carlyle

Books won't stay banned -
Ideas won't go to jail. ~ Alfred Whitney Griswold

You can cage the singer but not the song. ~ Harry Belafonte, in International Herald Tribune,
3 Oct 1988

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~ Voltaire

The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~ Jonathon Green,”Did you say ‘offensive’, as posted on wizard.com

ftil wrote:
I'll 'project' too then, you have been defensive/attacking since arriving.

andyh wrote:
Point of order; I bet a "isn't interbreeding genetically advantageous?" thread wouldn't last 24 hours on there.

oioioi wrote:
lmfao

Well again, its only free speech as long as its xenophobic over there.

They'd probably even get sick of threads about DIF too lol.
Doleys and immigrants is a great topic though, I wonder if I should make an account on there for a laugh and ask that lot which takes more wealth- immigrant doleys or immigrants with jobs?

oioioi wrote:
Well, if you don’t understand what honesty and freedom means…..you should give yourself a break and don’t come here. I guess you didn’t read my post about freedom and censorship.

Perhaps are happy when your posts have been deleted or threads closed. Perhaps you are happy to blindly follow any rules without questioning and speaking up your mind. Perhaps, you don't have any clue what integrity means.

I don't attack people but I have guts to speak up when others violate freedom or I see injustice.
Don't assume that everybody is like you......learn to appreciate difference and move on if somebody is not a good company for you. BTW, If you paid attention, you would notice that I lost my interest having a discussion with you.

Why don’t you find like minded people…...we still have a freedom with whom we associate, haven’t we? There are many members here.....go where you are welcomed.

Enjoy forum

If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor.
Albert Einstein

Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Albert Einstein

ftil wrote:
As I said...

ftil wrote:
ftil....

It's really great having you here and we ALL want you to enjoy being here but I think you're wrong in assuming that just because quick action had to be taken on a thread containing "iffy" posts that there's some sort of brickwall of Censorship and denial of free speech. To my understanding posts that were made that pointed in the direction of the DIF admin team approving of/encouraging acts of child molestation by simply having such material posted on the forum over there were deleted, and rightly so!

We here have a major issue with Sean and the rest of the DIF admin team in how they run the forum, but just because some sicko takes it upon themselves to post such horrible material on their forum and it may have slipped past without being noticed by moderators or other members of the admin team, we don't see ANY need in assuming that just because it may have happened and went unnoticed that it's something that they approve of over there. That's a very serious allegation to make on someone's character and so THAT'S why the posts were removed.

Regardless of how disgusted we are with Sean & the DIF admin team, we're not going to slander them as pedophiles just because some twisted individual may have posted such material on their forum. So that's what the post removal was about, not to stifle anyone's privilege to speak openly and freely!!

Please take the time to look around the rest of the forum without launching into further passive-aggressive type attacks against the mods here. They're doing a really great job so far and I'm sure you'll agree once you've had a better look around and spend more time here.

phemohilia wrote:

LOL! Passive aggressive, eh? For speaking openly what was wrong. First, you didn’t read the pedophile's thread as it is obvious in your post. How can you even discus it if you haven’t read it? You don’t know what a pedophile wrote and how 2 mods and sean responded.
Second, I closed the pedophile issue a few days ago. Why don’t you read this thread before making your comments.
It is not about pedophile thread.
I voiced my disappointment because it was closed again and I didn’t have a chance to have discussion with another member. It was not about DI forum but general about conspiracy forums. But you didn’t take your time to read my post but distorted the issue.

I don’t know you so that how can you think that I would consider your advice.
I have a motto, I don’t give any advice and I don’t take any advice unless I have asked. If you have the burning need to tell what others should do…..you need to go somewhere else.

ftil wrote:
I appreciate your response. I may have been referring to something other than what you were. But my points still stand. The action taken in that thread was not one of censorship but one of moral responsibility. Had it been a move to silence you (or anyone else in that thread) suggestions to make a new thread voicing your particular concerns would not have been given, as they were. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but you seem a little on edge and slightly combative. There's no need for you to feel that way here. You are free to speak your mind without worry of being "silenced" as long as you do so with respect to both the members here and the forum guidelines. Again, we're all glad you are here and hope you genuinely enjoy your time here!!

ftil wrote:
Really?

phemohilia wrote:
Well, I wouldn’t say combative but assertive. It is a big difference. If somebody crosses the line I speak openly. I don’t talk behind somebody’s back but address issues directly. It takes guts to do so. So, even though a few have tried to make me feel bad….they have failed miserably. I had to work hard to become assertive and to know about all manipulative behaviors.

Second, you refer to the pedophile issue again. I have made it bold….

BTW, I can’t resist…and not to be sarcastic. I am laughing when people try to make psychological evaluation or use psychological terms without knowledge. But it is a poor attempt to silence a member. Very poor indeed.

ftil wrote:

ftil wrote:
And you know for a fact that I'm not a qualified mental health professional??

phemohilia wrote:
Hehehe.....read your post and my response. I am not going to repeat myself.

BTW, I know many who got degree in this field but has never done any inner work and are as dysfunctional as their clients. They went for a very wrong reason and made lot's of damage. I can easily recognize somebody who has degree in this filed and who knows what he or she is doing.
I was lucky to have a few great mentors who have not only brilliant minds but also integrity, and of course, they have done deep inner work.

Well, in the interest of forthrightness, I will disclose that I am no such mental health professional. Qualified or otherwise.