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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 13:10 #61

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Was the issue about the sellers themselves or was it local store owners getting rid of competition?

Perhaps store owners used Golden Dawn because they knew they would be motivated to do the job,Anybody know anything about what they were selling or if they had gone through all the correct procedures to set up their stalls?

Just after the facts :P
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 13:14 #62

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mikey mikey wrote:
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In my head this is oi's market stall and frog keeps trying to tip it over for some reason.

What reason could that be then? :secret:

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 13:17 #63

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humanspirit wrote:
Was the issue about the sellers themselves or was it local store owners getting rid of competition?

Perhaps store owners used Golden Dawn because they knew they would be motivated to do the job,Anybody know anything about what they were selling or if they had gone through all the correct procedures to set up their stalls?

Just after the facts :P

They had clocks for sale but according to the guy in the video they wanted papers of residency so if this was about turf then it certainly was well disguised as racial/xenophobic.
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 17:15 #64

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humanspirit wrote:
Was the issue about the sellers themselves or was it local store owners getting rid of competition?

Perhaps store owners used Golden Dawn because they knew they would be motivated to do the job,Anybody know anything about what they were selling or if they had gone through all the correct procedures to set up their stalls?

Just after the facts :P

Golden Dawn were checking papers for trading (for which they have no authority) even when these were presented to them they proceeded to smash their stock. There is a problem generally with illegal traders in Athens, this had nothing to do with that.
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 17:52 #65

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No doubt such behaviour will appall many of us reading and veiwing this but I would suggest that people sympathetic to the EDL and BNP will be grinning and congrating the Golden Dawn.
A poster so inclined would perhaps not feel confident enough to post their support on this forum. Rather they might give veiled tacit support "for balance" or, if they lacked any backbone altogether, would avoid answering and scurry away in a puff of "who said you said didn't answer my question you what?".
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 17:57 #66

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Why are you having a problem simply answering the questions? Why are you being so utterly pathetic? Grow a pair and speak your mind instead of hiding what you consider to be an issue! Modus Operandi.

:killinme: :killinme: :killinme:

This's becoming a theme when entering a conversation with you - totally pointless! Modus Operandi.

For the record I have no problem answering questions! You have avoided every question (modus operadi) raised, and then demand an answer to a question you raised that attach certain presumptions. Clarification of these implied presumptions was requested in plain English prior to the question for which the current demand is being made.

Clearly you don't want to share your presumptions for some reason and you enjoy feigning ignorance, or you really do have a total failure in comprehension (tough call).

Decrement would seem to be the critical requirement for a casual observer.

Who is it that runs around trolling other sites with multiple socks? Who is it that brags of daring deeds using the very same tactics on display in this very thread? Lets totally ignore the tag team antics of the merry band. One could be forgiven for thinking that you enjoy your work and that deceit is a tool you're well skilled at employing.

Who doesn't happen to operate sock accounts and doesn't go to any other forum seeking to disrupt it using these or any other tactics. Does that suggest deceit and actively seeking to disrupt rather than engage in a conversation?

Entering a discussion with you is a total waste of time!
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 18:06 #67

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Frog wrote:
Lets totally ignore the tag team antics of the merry band.

Accusation of a "team" and a persecution complex.
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One could be for given for thinking that you enjoy your work and that deceit is a tool you're well skilled at employing.

Accusation of paid shill misinformation agent.
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Who doesn't happen to operate sock accounts and doesn't go to any other forum seeking to disrupt it using these or any other tactics. Does that suggest deceit and actively seeking to disrupt rather than engage in a conversation?

Accusations of anti-DIF agitation.

If Frog had used the words "kosher" I would have sworn I was reading ES. :killinme:
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 18:12 #68

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Maybe frog's preferred travel method is to march?
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 18 Sep 2012 18:31 #69

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Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Frog wrote:

Why are you having a problem simply answering the questions? Why are you being so utterly pathetic? Grow a pair and speak your mind instead of hiding what you consider to be an issue! Modus Operandi.

:killinme: :killinme: :killinme:

This's becoming a theme when entering a conversation with you - totally pointless! Modus Operandi.

For the record I have no problem answering questions! You have avoided every question (modus operadi) raised, and then demand an answer to a question you raised that attach certain presumptions. Clarification of these implied presumptions was requested in plain English prior to the question for which the current demand is being made.

Clearly you don't want to share your presumptions for some reason and you enjoy feigning ignorance, or you really do have a total failure in comprehension (tough call).

Decrement would seem to be the critical requirement for a casual observer.

Who is it that runs around trolling other sites with multiple socks? Who is it that brags of daring deeds using the very same tactics on display in this very thread? Lets totally ignore the tag team antics of the merry band. One could be forgiven for thinking that you enjoy your work and that deceit is a tool you're well skilled at employing.

Who doesn't happen to operate sock accounts and doesn't go to any other forum seeking to disrupt it using these or any other tactics. Does that suggest deceit and actively seeking to disrupt rather than engage in a conversation?

Entering a discussion with you is a total waste of time!

Well as your initial post on the thread was shit trolling followed by constantly avoiding answering one (not loaded) question to ascertain your opinion, I'll be certain to take your opinion to heart as you are clearly a mass debater and someone to aspire to be like with their honest and frank posting nature (except when asked a direct question repeatedly).

So......(2 questions now ;) )

As you value honesty and abhor deception, who were you on DIF?

And.... here comes that 'loaded' question again....

Frog, what do you think of the actions of the Golden Dawn mem­bers in the clips I posted above?





ETA I predict a lengthy paragraph casting aspersions on my character rather than actually directly answering either question. Don't let me down Frog!
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 19 Sep 2012 07:27 #70

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 20 Sep 2012 12:12 #71

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oioioi wrote:
As you value honesty and abhor deception, who were you on DIF?

And.... here comes that 'loaded' question again....

Frog, what do you think of the actions of the Golden Dawn mem­bers in the clips I posted above?

I would like to ask Frog the same questions.
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 21 Sep 2012 15:54 #72

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 22 Sep 2012 20:02 #73

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Patrolling immigrant areas that have been targeted by Golden Dawn recently.
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Summer's over, it's silly season!


Its all starting to look like an updated version of mad max :axe: I can see gangs controlling all the streets soon and I wonder who will be leading them from the shadows.


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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 23 Sep 2012 10:21 #74

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*bumped for the wum factor as I've given up on a straight answer.*

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 23 Sep 2012 15:40 #75

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Ok, I give in.

I was frog on the DIF.

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 23 Sep 2012 17:56 #76

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Frog wrote:

For the record I have no problem answering questions!

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 24 Sep 2012 17:26 #77

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Golden Dawn, the neo-Nazi party of Greece, made a rather strange proposal this week: let's create a new public holiday, they said, to commemorate victims of Communist guerrillas at the end of the second world war. By "victims", they mainly refer to the Nazi collaborators who were slaughtered after ferocious battles in southern Greece. Recalling the period before and during the civil war of 1946 to 1949 doesn't seem like the best suggestion for a debt-ridden country. Unfortunately the same idea seems to thrill the country's mainstream media.

Hardly a day goes by without the appearance of an article in a leading newspaper that presents Golden Dawn as some kind of "golden opportunity" for Greek society. Many well-known journalists seem eager to criticise the racist violence of the neo-Nazis only so they can pour scorn on what they characterise as the excessive "violence of the left".

"Those of us believing in democracy owe a big 'thank you' to Golden Dawn" wrote a columnist in Kathimerini daily, explaining that "it is an opportunity for legality to confront the quasi-legitimate violence of the left".

The following day a columnist in To Vima daily was wondering why the violence of the blackshirts (fascist death squads in Italy) is seen as worst than the violence of hooligans or "pseudo Che Guevaras" who clash with the police.

By leftwing "violence" commentators usually refer to big strikes that can lead to social unrest in the streets or even jeering and "yogurt throwing" against politicians. When hundreds of protesters battled riot police over plans for a gold mine in northern Greece recently, a newspaper compared their action with neo-Nazi squads who have been attacking foreign workers and stabbing immigrants.

This line of argument is reminiscent of the so called "horseshoe theory" according to which the far left and the far right, rather than being at opposite ends of the political spectrum, resemble one another like the ends of a horseshoe. This idea, which was at its peak during the cold war, appears in Greece disguised as the voice of "logic" against the "violence of the extremes". What the media seem to forget is that the country was brought to its knees by the "extremism of the political centre" – a neoliberal project that ruptured the fabric of the society and paved the way for Golden Dawn.

The 40% increase in suicides, the 50% rate of unemployment among young people and the breadlines in the centre of Athens are the result of a "systemic violence" imposed on the population by the political elites – not the "extremes". The fact that the internal devaluation increased the sovereign debt and the economy is forecast to contract by 25% by the end of 2014 is evidence of the total failure of the policy imposed by the IMF and the EU.

Under these circumstances the violence of the neo-Nazis represents a useful distraction from the social genocide of the austerity packages, but also a unique opportunity to attack those who oppose the measures.

A few days ago the president of the Greek journalists' association criticised the media for being "advocates" and "contractors" for the neo-Nazi party. It's a harsh criticism, but not unfounded. For several weeks after the last general elections party members of the Golden Dawn became darlings of popular TV shows. In the meantime horrendous crimes committed by neo-Nazis against immigrants are often hushed up. The Greek media need to answer a simple question: whose side are you on?
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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 24 Sep 2012 17:32 #78

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Nazis do the dirty work of the "elites" and have an unpublisized alliance. Gladio in Italy is a good example.

Their main target is their political opponents.

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 25 Sep 2012 00:46 #79

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Re: Self-policing Athens style! 25 Sep 2012 01:00 #80

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Please forgive my confusion, but is this Golden Dawn Greek or are the Germans invading Greece....again?

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