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TOPIC: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior

High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 01:55 #1

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Rapid increases and unpredictable fluctuations in gas prices annoy many drivers, especially since it may seem that oil companies are secretly conspiring to keep prices high by forming a cartel in an effort to increase their profits. But a new study shows that cartel-like price dynamics of certain commodities, such as gasoline, can emerge spontaneously in a strategic model without any collusion among the sellers. The finding doesn’t necessarily mean that companies don’t intentionally form cartels, but the possibility of self-organized cartel formation could have implications for market regulations.

The researchers, physicists Tiago P. Peixoto and Stefan Bornholdt of the University of Bremen in Bremen, Germany, have published their study, called “No Need for Conspiracy: Self-Organized Cartel Formation in a Modified Trust Game,” in a recent issue of Physical Review Letters.

“Our work shows that, under very reasonable and simple assumptions of the market dynamics, cartel-like behavior can emerge, without an explicit agreement between sellers,” Bornholdt told Phys.org. “This is, to our knowledge, completely new and we feel that it comes somewhat unexpected, for example in the context of German gasoline price discussions in the media. For example, a few months ago, the German governmental cartel agency searched the offices of large gasoline companies in search of evidence of cartel behavior. We asked ourselves if a cartel-like dynamics could emerge by itself, without leaving traces of evidence. As gas prices in Germany were – and still are – strongly fluctuating in time and space, this made us curious whether this could be a sign for an interesting collective dynamics, of gas sellers, interacting with each other in a funny way.”

High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior

Hmmm... I wonder who funded that study?
Right, it's all some spontaneous, unpredictable, magical creature with a mind of it's own. :hahano:
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Re: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 09:14 #2

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Mrindigo wrote:
Rapid increases and unpredictable fluctuations in gas prices annoy many drivers, especially since it may seem that oil companies are secretly conspiring to keep prices high by forming a cartel in an effort to increase their profits. But a new study shows that cartel-like price dynamics of certain commodities, such as gasoline, can emerge spontaneously in a strategic model without any collusion among the sellers. The finding doesn’t necessarily mean that companies don’t intentionally form cartels, but the possibility of self-organized cartel formation could have implications for market regulations.

The researchers, physicists Tiago P. Peixoto and Stefan Bornholdt of the University of Bremen in Bremen, Germany, have published their study, called “No Need for Conspiracy: Self-Organized Cartel Formation in a Modified Trust Game,” in a recent issue of Physical Review Letters.

“Our work shows that, under very reasonable and simple assumptions of the market dynamics, cartel-like behavior can emerge, without an explicit agreement between sellers,” Bornholdt told Phys.org. “This is, to our knowledge, completely new and we feel that it comes somewhat unexpected, for example in the context of German gasoline price discussions in the media. For example, a few months ago, the German governmental cartel agency searched the offices of large gasoline companies in search of evidence of cartel behavior. We asked ourselves if a cartel-like dynamics could emerge by itself, without leaving traces of evidence. As gas prices in Germany were – and still are – strongly fluctuating in time and space, this made us curious whether this could be a sign for an interesting collective dynamics, of gas sellers, interacting with each other in a funny way.”

High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior

Hmmm... I wonder who funded that study?
Right, it's all some spontaneous, unpredictable, magical creature with a mind of it's own. :hahano:
Oh what a tan­gled web we weave, when first we prac­tice to deceive.

The banks actually play a part with large oil orders with delivery dates the next year...
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Re: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 09:51 #3

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The 1973 oil crisis was controlled by the western oil companies who controlled the shipping of oil. They simply didn't transfer oil from the Arab states which caused an artificial shortage and drove up prices at an alarming rate.

That's not the only way that the oil companies maintain high prices they also us the fossil fuel and peek oil myths to inflate prices internationally.

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"Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel; the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils. How could then oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of fossils the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come from living matter at all!"
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Re: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 10:20 #4

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Frog wrote:
The 1973 oil crisis was controlled by the western oil companies who controlled the shipping of oil. They simply didn't transfer oil from the Arab states which caused an artificial shortage and drove up prices at an alarming rate.

That's not the only way that the oil companies maintain high prices they also us the fossil fuel and peek oil myths to inflate prices internationally.

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"Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel; the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils. How could then oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of fossils the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come from living matter at all!"
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The problem with all this is very simple.
If its abiotic and there's shitloads of it, then why are the Russians not flooding the market with oil?

The only conclusion is that everyone is 'in on it' and if so then knowledge of abiotic oil makes little difference.
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Re: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 12:40 #5

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I think you will find that the Russian output of oil had grown significantly over the last ten years or so. They also produce vast quantities of natural gas, which the distribute throughout Europe. Oil production and distribution is a controlled market which benefits the producers. If oil is being drawn from wells as deep as 20-30k feet how did the organic material manage to get there? Also the molecular structure of oil has hydrocarbons which suggest that it's not formed as a result of compressed organic carbon based material.
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Re: High gas prices may be explained by self-organized cartel behavior 22 Jun 2012 13:45 #6

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I think you will find that the Russian output of oil had grown significantly over the last ten years or so. They also produce vast quantities of natural gas, which the distribute throughout Europe. Oil production and distribution is a controlled market which benefits the producers. If oil is being drawn from wells as deep as 20-30k feet how did the organic material manage to get there? Also the molecular structure of oil has hydrocarbons which suggest that it's not formed as a result of compressed organic carbon based material.

It depends on the geology of the area where it's being drawn from 20-30k feet.
There could be fault zones in the area for example, which would have young rock at lower levels.
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