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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 20:40 #1

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Here comes the sidewinder....While the west has been flapping around imposing sanctions against Russia, and the medias eyes have been diverted looking for the missing Boeing......
While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis

The hint this was on the cards when Putin made his speech about Crimea on Monday.
And now add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China's largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.

India was also thanked in Putins speech.
Putin did take time, however, to thank one other country apart from China for its understanding over Ukraine and Crimea - saying India had shown "restraint and objectivity".

He also called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss the crisis on Tuesday, suggesting there is room for Russia's ties with traditionally non-aligned India to flourish.

Although India has become the largest export market for U.S. arms, Russia remains a key defense supplier and relations are friendly, even if lacking a strong business and trade dimension, due to a strategic partnership dating to the Soviet era.

Putin's moves to assert Russian control over Crimea were seen very favorably in the Indian establishment, N. Ram, publisher of The Hindu newspaper, told Reuters. "Russia has legitimate interests," he added.
Here is what will likely happen next, as explained by Reuters:

Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.

The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.

The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.

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So far not a shot fired, a bomb dropped......Putin is playing the long game......I wonder what's coming next?

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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 20:49 #2

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The Sly Guy thinks he is running rings diplomatically around the NeoCons.

But their End Game is quite fucking different.

What they want is return to a Cold War and the folks back home can't seem to wait for a return to the Good Old Days of Black Hat/White Hat. Nothing even remotely taxing. Just them and us.

Hate as a way to see your next door neighbour as "at least we agree upon whom we hate."

The Cold War Part 2 will allow them to brand Snowdon as a defector and with him call all whistleblowers as "spies".

I am very sad to say that so many people that I have talked to want this.

Conflict with the "other" brings a ceasefire with your neighbour. The hate remains but gets channelled. Into a tumor, but in the meantime, you get along as best you can.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 20:58 #3

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If Putin does pull this off with the Chinese....then I would say he has pulled off the Mother of all Sanctions.

At the moment Putin is like this.....
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and who can blame him? This could bring the west to its knees ....read the article.....not a lot western governments will be able to do when they will be too busy stopping the riots on their own streets at home when people themselves get exactly what they've been asking for....the downfall of western banksters/bent corporations etc......Och....you know the rest....best stock up our cupboards me thinks....

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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 21:15 #4

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I don't trust this 180 turn around on Putin by those who have espoused Third Way and even Libertarian sentiments.

Putin is what he is.

And the fact that he is being portrayed as Russia Incarnate, raises my suspicions even more.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 21:35 #5

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I'm sorry Mikey...may be I'm just too tired tonight, but can you try and explain your post in a different way please? No offence, but it felt like I was reading the bits between the lines and the 'body' was missing....it's my brain that's obviously gone AWOL :emb:

The more I'm letting this process in my brain, the more concerned I am....hunting around for any other clues, as I don't think we have to wait for the official signing of the deal in May.....this is a side swipe to put the west on warning....which is unlike the Russians, unless they are being very clever and letting the cat out of the bag now knowing the interim damage it is going to cause and destabilise other countries faith in sticking with the petrodollar.....making the arrows for others to shoot to to speak.....very clever!

I'm rambling, thinking out loud...sorry...

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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 22:19 #6

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I'm exhausted myself.

I really don't give a fuck about whatever we call the West.

Whoever rules the West, they seem out to fuck our lives up.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 22:31 #7

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There was a dr who tale where the doc brought down tge uk pm just by whispering "don't you think she is looking a bit old" or summat in an aides ear. I tgink there is a good chance that putin is playing the same card here. As jane suspects, even the idea of russia cutting gas supplies to the west will have strong effects. Effects that most western folk will not like.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 22:36 #8

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Putin/Duma also decided not to reciprocate the sanctions.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 21 Mar 2014 22:37 #9

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Ever seen this advert during the football?:



It's just a little reminder to Europeans.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 09:45 #10

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15 years ago, way before I had the internet (I only got 'online' 8 years ago) I made a prediction that the dollar would collapse, only this time when it collapses, as opposed to other 'great civilisations' when they have ....it will take the rest of us with it.

It's quite simple really, as far as I can see. Again some 15 years ago, one of the wealthiest people in the UK Duke of Westminster, paid his taxes...in advance up to 2025!!!! 25 years IN ADVANCE. If he can work that out, and have the capability to do it....then don't you think all these bankers, politicians and corporations have seen what's coming from way back?

About 4 years ago I said 'something' was going to give us a 48 hour 'heads up' on a Tuesday.....because depending where you were in the world we would be waking up to a very different world on the Thursday/Friday. While everybody was distracted by the Crimean partition, and searching for a missing plane, Mededev was in Beijing on Tuesday last.....and that is when all this was agreed.....the paperwork in May is a formality. I don't think last Tuesday was THE Tuesday......but I'm sticking to my guns.......meh...Yellowstone could finally blow her top on a Tuesday...so all this politico wrangling will be moot anyhow.


Oh, by the way, I caught this just before I went to bed last night....Putin in an interview yesterday has said they (Russia) will not be continuing with 'tit for tat' sanctions.........it's pretty obvious to me why they wont.....they have the mother of all sanctions in their hand.

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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 11:21 #11

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I'm sorry but I don't see this as being any downfall of the west or the dollar etc.
There's Norway,Alaska,Canada,Qatar etc etc and there's no issues tbh if Russia decides to trade gas and oil with China.

The strongest card anyone has is actually China and it has nothing to do with oil and everything to do with rare earths.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 12:11 #12

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I hear you andy and tiz true about the rare earths.
But.
If it were economically 'prudent' for Europe to not take gas from Russia, Europe wouldn't be so reliant on Russian gas ;)
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 12:55 #13

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dubmeup wrote:
I hear you andy and tiz true about the rare earths.
But.
If it were economically 'prudent' for Europe to not take gas from Russia, Europe wouldn't be so reliant on Russian gas ;)

It is economically prudent to do so, in fact I think a lot of people are missing that should Russia deal with someone else then Norway are going to be loving it. They're probably egging Putin on right now lol
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 13:05 #14

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Andy, you and I both know that if Europe could get a better deal (for the shareholders of the energy firms) by not sourcing from Russia, it would.
The fact that Europe takes so much from Russia is a clear sign that it's economically prudent to do so.

This is why places like Norway may be currently wringing their hands in glee.

If Europe loses the Russian gas, costs will rise. Those costs will be placed at the consumer's feet.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 13:39 #15

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dubmeup wrote:
Andy, you and I both know that if Europe could get a better deal (for the shareholders of the energy firms) by not sourcing from Russia, it would.
The fact that Europe takes so much from Russia is a clear sign that it's economically prudent to do so.

This is why places like Norway may be currently wringing their hands in glee.

If Europe loses the Russian gas, costs will rise. Those costs will be placed at the consumer's feet.

Absolutely but you don't think for 1 minute the guys running the EU and US give a shit?
For them its tax deductible expenses, for us its a nightmare.

The US most of all certainly doesn't care, need I remind everyone of 'that womans' FUCK THE EU that we all heard not long back.

This isn't about the EU, its about China and India.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 13:52 #16

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Agreed. Any increased costs will be directly swallowed by the consumers.
Energy co shareholders won't give a shit.

Govs are slightly different. Sticking to Europe, those govs will have to spin, blame, propagandise and bullcrap their way around it.
This may prove problematic in the current climate. Folk are already well pissed at energy costs.
Costs are already rising in the Ukraine obviously. If that spreads to wider Europe, folk will be even more pissed. I think it entirely plausible that there may be a backlash toward the govs that chose to do this re Crimea and Ukraine.

With the deals appearing to redirect Russian energy export eastwards, there may indeed be a new phase of global 'power' shift.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 22 Mar 2014 15:19 #17

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Does it ever strike you as odd that we are presented demons and enemies from countries miles away, impersonalised and dehumanised?

Your closest threat is those closest to you and usually from above.

We have more to fear from our from our own tyrants than tyrants on some other country.

If we all dealt with the devil upstairs, then we may have a chance.

Looking to threats from afar, while the evil in our own community, enables exploitation and dominance.
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Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China 10 Apr 2014 22:58 #18

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Curious what the fate of the petrodollar is? Look no farther than this Interfax update blasted moments ago by Bloomberg: "Gazprom Considers 'Symbolic' Yuan Bond Issue, Interfax Says."

Bloomberg adds that the gas giant is considering proposals from potential organizers to market bonds in yuan, Interfax reports, citing people with knowledge of the matter.

Gazprom unlikely be able to gain more than $300m due to mkt volume, newswire reports
No mandates, deal timeline yet
Issue may add new investors, become a “topical” public relations act amid tensions with U.S., EU
Well, yes. It's called "symbolic" for a reason. More importantly, it is a symbol of what happens when one can "create" money de novo without the presence of the world's increasingly defunct reserve currency, either secured by gas or by future cash flows, i.e., unsecured.

Confused? Read:

Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China
Russia And China About To Sign "Holy Grail" Gas Deal
40 Central Banks Are Betting This Will Be The Next Reserve Currency
... and the New New Normal flow of funds will suddenly become clear -

Gazprom delivering gas to China.
China Gazprom paying in Yuan (convertible into Rubles)
Gazprom funding itself increasingly in Yuan.
Russia buying Chinese goods and services in Yuan (convertible into Rubles)
And all of this with the US banker cartel completely disintermediated courtesy of the glaring absence of the USD in any of the above listed steps, or as some may call it: from the Petrodollar to the Gas-o-yuan (something 40 central banks have already figured out... just not the Fed).

www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-10/gazpro...d-issue-chinese-yuan

And here's the link to the article about the 40 central banks...
www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/40-cen...ext-reserve-currency

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