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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 19:53 #1

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www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cold-comfo...mortgage-251465.html
Hard-pressed Irish homeowners will find cold comfort in the news that Iceland is to write off €24,000 from every household’s mortgage.

Voters here are used to pre-election party pledges evaporating into the fog of fantasy but, in the land of frost and fire, politicians have proven they can be true to their word.

In April’s elections, prime minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson said he would introduce sweeping measures to ease the burden of household debt.

And now he has put the country’s krona where his mouth is. The writeoff of €24,000 per mortgage will reduce household debt by 13% according to the government’s website.

According to RT.com, the government said the debt relief will begin by mid-2014. According to estimates, the measure will cost almost €900m.

That may seem like a slush-fund compared with the oceans of debt faced by many European nations, but bear in mind Iceland’s population is just over 320,000.

The population has been weighed down by debt since the financial crisis five years ago. The krona’s collapse drove borrowing costs much higher.

“Currently, household debt is equivalent to 108% of GDP, which is high by international comparison,” the government said in a statement.

“The action will boost household disposable income and encourage savings,” it said.

According to AFP, the debt relief promise has been met with scepticism, with the IMF, and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development warning against it.

The IMF had previously said Iceland has “little fiscal space for additional household debt relief”, while the OECD had called for the mortgage relief efforts to target only low-income households.
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 20:24 #2

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:arrowleft: *Might have only read the headline*

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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 20:40 #3

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What does this mean?
Are they taking money from the banks?
Are they using central banking measures?
Are they going to steal it through taxes?
Something else?
How have they performed this wondrous magic?
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 22:03 #4

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Reptired wrote:
What does this mean?
Are they taking money from the banks?
Are they using central banking measures?
Are they going to steal it through taxes?
Something else?
How have they performed this wondrous magic?
There's no reason something similar couldn't be done in Britain.

Admittedly, it would be a considerably larger sum of money involved due to the much greater population of the UK. But considering all the billions that are pissed up the wall on military-industrial endeavours and transferring public services to corporations, certainly something like this on a large scale could be done.

For example, British banks, mainly HBOS, received £37 billion of bailout money in 2008:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7666570.stm

I worked out when I wrote my book that this works out at just under £1,200 per taxpayer. One year before that HBOS made a profit of nearly £6 billion, and stated:

www.scotsman.com/business/finance/163-5-...ive-economy-1-683962

“Profit is not a dirty word. It is the fuel that drives our market economy.”

They actually didn’t describe it as a ‘free market’ there, that was something of an oversight, that’s usually the term of choice. The kind of free market where if you make £5.7 billion through speculation and exploitation it’s “good for the economy”, but if you make a loss the people you’ve exploited have to bail you out. That’s a good system, I’d be enthusiastic about that system if I was them.

So, for example, instead of bailing out HBOS, which only scratches the surface of the billions that have been handed out in bailouts, not to mention the plethora of other ways that the financial sector steals public money, every taxpayer could have been given £1,200 of tax relief. That’s just one small example, there are lots of more radical options open without even changing the existing monetary creation and economic system, which is the core of the problem.
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 22:06 #5

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@rep They lowered taxes not raised them. The money is no doubt coming from foreign creditors of icesave.
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"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
Last Edit: 07 Dec 2013 22:08 by dubmeup.
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 07 Dec 2013 22:49 #6

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Reptired wrote:
What does this mean?
Are they taking money from the banks?
Are they using central banking measures?
Are they going to steal it through taxes?
Something else?
How have they performed this wondrous magic?
There's no reason something similar couldn't be done in Britain.

Admittedly, it would be a considerably larger sum of money involved due to the much greater population of the UK. But considering all the billions that are pissed up the wall on military-industrial endeavours and transferring public services to corporations, certainly something like this on a large scale could be done.

For example, British banks, mainly HBOS, received £37 billion of bailout money in 2008:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7666570.stm

I worked out when I wrote my book that this works out at just under £1,200 per taxpayer. One year before that HBOS made a profit of nearly £6 billion, and stated:

www.scotsman.com/business/finance/163-5-...ive-economy-1-683962

“Profit is not a dirty word. It is the fuel that drives our market economy.”

They actually didn’t describe it as a ‘free market’ there, that was something of an oversight, that’s usually the term of choice. The kind of free market where if you make £5.7 billion through speculation and exploitation it’s “good for the economy”, but if you make a loss the people you’ve exploited have to bail you out. That’s a good system, I’d be enthusiastic about that system if I was them.

So, for example, instead of bailing out HBOS, which only scratches the surface of the billions that have been handed out in bailouts, not to mention the plethora of other ways that the financial sector steals public money, every taxpayer could have been given £1,200 of tax relief. That’s just one small example, there are lots of more radical options open without even changing the existing monetary creation and economic system, which is the core of the problem.

Steal money and then claim the stolen property is profit, the kind of rhetoric that comes from a state schooling system and keeps both the fascists and marxists happy.
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@rep They lowered taxes not raised them. The money is no doubt coming from foreign creditors of icesave.
Well it's being stolen from somewhere, that's for sure, and likely there will be fuck loads of interest attached.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 08 Dec 2013 08:17 #7

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No doubt hedge funds are the main losers rep.
Key 'investors' got paid out then many of the others got pennys in the pound back on their investments by selling them on. Invariably to hedge funds and their ilk.
The icelandic gov has since done everything it can to stall paying out. Arguably, justifiably. They have been able therefore to inject non inflationary fiat into their economy.
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Iceland writes €24,000 off every mortgage 08 Dec 2013 16:00 #8

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Basically Iceland has a very small population and is very 'tight knit'.
They just won't get away with what happens in the UK because they'd end up on the wrong end of a rope basically.

Its worth bearing in mind that the key reason why we haven't seen runaway inflation IMHO is that the extra debt was created at the end of the day to immediately return back in to the banking debts which in turn are owed to the central banks. So the money never really went in to circulation and banks if anything have reduced loans, opening a gap for loan sharks such as payday loans advertised on telly with 2800% APR despite themselves borrowing to create these loans at some of the lowest interest rates in recorded FR banking history...
Politicians sit back and do nothing about it because they are in turn merely employees of the wealthy lobby interests which are ofc..banking.
Quelle surprise.
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