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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 13:41 #21

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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 13:41 #22

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I’d rather see life for what it is than some marketing opiate for the masses.

Me too personally.

But we all indulge in our little escapisms don't we
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 14:00 #23

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Absolutely, mines called a workshop with lots of tools and a nice view, and hopefully lots of things that work that will save the illusionary many strive to escape.
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 14:37 #24

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andyh wrote:

I disagree tbh.
I count intelligence in terms of street smarts.
If they're not even willing to question whats going on then yes, they're thick alright.
If they can't make themselves self sufficient or for that matter have no interest in it and instead rely on someone else then they're thick.

Its not so much about being smug or anything like that, its just the way the world is, in fact, if it wasn't for billions of thick people then we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. We would have stopped using money long ago, stopped trashing the planet and started respecting each other and the environment. I don't see that happening anytime soon, do you?

Instead, anyone who so much as brings up the topic is either a commie or a conspiracy theorist. Instead you should be watching football or playing on the xbox or a million other useless things. I wouldn't say I'm smug as much as sick and tired of pretending the situation is any different dogsmilk. The people at the top are themselves not much better informed IMHO, I've spoken to plenty.

Hitler himself would not see the advantage in a RBE for example because he would balk at the idea of a decent life for all, as far as the elite are concerned they know no other way of living and that this is the God given way of things. If you want to see any smug arrogance try looking there. It is both the elite and the masses who are as thick as each other which is why the world is fucked up.
There's your conspiracy theory.

What do you mean by "street smarts"?

And how many people do you know who are self sufficient? I mean, did you construct the processor in whatever computer you used to write the post. Did you produce the electricity or craft the battery that powered it by hand? We all rely on other people - unless you never need anything like medical attention, your roof repaired, your sewers maintained or your refuse collected.

How is dismissing "billions" of people as being "thick" a good step on the road to "respecting each other"? You obviously don't respect billions of people you've never met and about whose day-to-day lives you know nothing - is that a good start? Are they only not thick once they start thinking and acting how you'd like them to.

Hitler was in fact in favour of a 'decent life for all'...as long as that 'all' was the right sort of people. Because he was an ultra nationalist, he had a (dark) Utopian vision of a magnificent German empire that would dominate the world (in the same sort of way America went on to - the primary economic and military superpower). With all the good Aryans a happy, productive little cog in the machine. He didn't want the German people to be miserable. He wanted them to be content and prosperous. Of course his particular vision included a great deal of loony thinking - but he didn't think it did. Nor did he think he was the bad guy. People tend not to. Everyone thinks what they want is best. Including me and you.

And many of the top Nazis were highly intelligent people. Sophisticated, very well educated, articulate, extremely industrious. We all know the Nazis were at the top of the game when it came to high-tech weaponry - that takes smarts.

And like building a stealth bomber takes a lot of intelligence - would you know how to design and build such a thing? - I wouldn't know where to start and I don't regard myself as thick.

I'd say intelligence is a complex variable - very clever people can do what looks like very stupid acts - like destroy the environment - but they're operating off a logic that has an internal consistency is, say, you don't give a fuck about other people or future generations - maybe that takes a lack of empathy, compassion and responsibility, but I'd say not intelligence par se.

And many regular people maybe don't want to spend their lives battling against a seemingly indomitable behemoth - maybe they don't want to even think about it. Maybe they've never been provoked to think about it. Maybe they believe the smartest thing to do is keep your head down and try to live as comfortable a life as possible. Would that make them thick?

And within that, people have different takes - I don't believe in some of the conspiracy stuff you do - I don't think that makes either of us thick. I think some of the things you believe are bullshit - but I still regard you as an intelligent guy who also comes out with a lot of good stuff.
Even if you get labelled a "commie" or "conspiracy theorist" that doesn't mean people regard you as thick. Many ardent anti-Marxists would acknowledge Marx was a seriously clever guy. Jonathan Kay's among the truthers regards 911 theories as barmy while simultaneously asserting many of the leading truth movement gurus are seriously intelligent people.

I think people are much more complex and nuanced than you appear to believe.
You could have remained with that view prior to 2008, but not since.
After everything thats happened and that has been made public knowledge you can no longer say that such people are in denial.
The evidence is overwhelming I’m afraid, nice to see you have a bit of faith in them but there’s a reason why the average IQ is around 100 you know.

What's this correlation with IQ you're positing? I mean, are members of Mensa invariably hardcore political radicals who don't believe in money? Is there any evidence this is the case? - because they all have very high IQs.

Having said all that, I do myself sometimes find myself slipping into thinking the general public are morons...but that doesn't mean that's a good thing to be thinking...we all get frustrated at times...
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 14:52 #25

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This thread needs some Super Hans philosophy

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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 14:57 #26

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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 15:01 #27

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dogsmilk wrote:
What do you mean by "street smarts"?
The ability to question what is accepted by groupthink. To get your own info instead of accepting what you are supplied with on face value.
The ability to think outside the box, creatively.
And how many people do you know who are self sufficient? I mean, did you construct the processor in whatever computer you used to write the post. Did you produce the electricity or craft the battery that powered it by hand? We all rely on other people - unless you never need anything like medical attention, your roof repaired, your sewers maintained or your refuse collected.
I don't rely on a computer, thats a bonus is all.
Things I need are food,water,shelter, heat. I can fix all sorts of cars and machinery, I can weld, I can work wood, I can use a myriad of tools, I know how to get clean water, I know how to generate power, I know how to grow some grub although IMHO staple foods are the tricky business, I know how to be self employed and run my own business and have been doing it successfully for years now...
All of this is about common sense about not being happy with what you're handed is all.
How is dismissing "billions" of people as being "thick" a good step on the road to "respecting each other"? You obviously don't respect billions of people you've never met and about whose day-to-day lives you know nothing - is that a good start? Are they only not thick once they start thinking and acting how you'd like them to.

Respect is earned you know?
Hitler was in fact in favour of a 'decent life for all'...as long as that 'all' was the right sort of people. Because he was an ultra nationalist, he had a (dark) Utopian vision of a magnificent German empire that would dominate the world (in the same sort of way America went on to - the primary economic and military superpower). With all the good Aryans a happy, productive little cog in the machine. He didn't want the German people to be miserable. He wanted them to be content and prosperous. Of course his particular vision included a great deal of loony thinking - but he didn't think it did. Nor did he think he was the bad guy. People tend not to. Everyone thinks what they want is best. Including me and you.

And many of the top Nazis were highly intelligent people. Sophisticated, very well educated, articulate, extremely industrious. We all know the Nazis were at the top of the game when it came to high-tech weaponry - that takes smarts.
They were racist bigoted assholes who wanted to dominate the planet and impose their authority on everyone else, just the same as the rest of the leaders we can expect to get because idiots keep voting for them, its that simple DM.
You know it, I know it and the Germans ought to know it after experiencing it first hand, unfortunately that generations died off and they've gone back to popping the blue pill again.
HJ used to think the nazis were smart too, they were just cunts.
Smart is someone who has no need of others.
And like building a stealth bomber takes a lot of intelligence - would you know how to design and build such a thing? - I wouldn't know where to start and I don't regard myself as thick.

Sure, it takes a lot of smarts to build something that kills people :roll:
I'd say intelligence is a complex variable - very clever people can do what looks like very stupid acts - like destroy the environment - but they're operating off a logic that has an internal consistency is, say, you don't give a fuck about other people or future generations - maybe that takes a lack of empathy, compassion and responsibility, but I'd say not intelligence par se.

Intelligence is about understanding simple things like do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
If you don't see that in people then whats the point in labelling them as intelligent ? :)
Nazis are intelligent because they want to kill everyone, yeah great that makes a lot of sense....
And many regular people maybe don't want to spend their lives battling against a seemingly indomitable behemoth - maybe they don't want to even think about it. Maybe they've never been provoked to think about it. Maybe they believe the smartest thing to do is keep your head down and try to live as comfortable a life as possible. Would that make them thick?
Sorry did I say something about battling it? Or did I say something about sorting yourself out? :p
And within that, people have different takes - I don't believe in some of the conspiracy stuff you do - I don't think that makes either of us thick. I think some of the things you believe are bullshit - but I still regard you as an intelligent guy who also comes out with a lot of good stuff.
Even if you get labelled a "commie" or "conspiracy theorist" that doesn't mean people regard you as thick. Many ardent anti-Marxists would acknowledge Marx was a seriously clever guy. Jonathan Kay's among the truthers regards 911 theories as barmy while simultaneously asserting many of the leading truth movement gurus are seriously intelligent people.

Well thats a pile of doublespeak bullshit if I've ever seen it :D
What 'conspiracy stuff' do I believe in exactly? <I don't expect an answer to that one btw, I've often been told I'm a conspiracy nutter but then no-ones been able to come up with anything.
Which is typical ofc.....

I think people are much more complex and nuanced than you appear to believe.
They're fucked up alright :D
You could have remained with that view prior to 2008, but not since.
After everything thats happened and that has been made public knowledge you can no longer say that such people are in denial.
The evidence is overwhelming I’m afraid, nice to see you have a bit of faith in them but there’s a reason why the average IQ is around 100 you know.
What's this correlation with IQ you're positing? I mean, are members of Mensa invariably hardcore political radicals who don't believe in money? Is there any evidence this is the case? - because they all have very high IQs.

Having said all that, I do myself sometimes find myself slipping into thinking the general public are morons...but that doesn't mean that's a good thing to be thinking...we all get frustrated at times...

I find that of those people I meet who do question reality they are invariably of high intelligence, they're usually (not always) in skilled work and/or self employed, not religious, not biased, not indoctrinated.
Their level of education doesn't seem to matter much as if anything the successful self employed crowd have little in the way of establishment education but they are invariably very stubborn and independent.

I admire the self reliant crowd like app and gris as they're doing something about their situation, as for 911 and platsic coffins I really couldn't give a shit.
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 15:03 #28

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This thread needs some Super Hans philosophy

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I like Coldplay, so Super Hans can suck my dick ;)
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 15:18 #29

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diamondgeezer wrote:
oioioi wrote:
This thread needs some Super Hans philosophy

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I like Coldplay, so Super Hans can suck my dick ;)

Tbh I think he'd do that regardless.

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diamondgeezer wrote:
The masses aren't thick andy, most are just in denial. As I've said before, fear is a very powerful and effective weapon, and the elite know how to use it very well and have done for a long time.

So they ain't thick either.
I'd say alot of the masses do a great deal more than us.
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 15:27 #31

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Guevarista wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
The masses aren't thick andy, most are just in denial. As I've said before, fear is a very powerful and effective weapon, and the elite know how to use it very well and have done for a long time.

So they ain't thick either.
I'd say alot of the masses do a great deal more than us.

Which would be what specifically?
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oioioi wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
oioioi wrote:
This thread needs some Super Hans philosophy

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I like Coldplay, so Super Hans can suck my dick ;)

Tbh I think he'd do that regardless.

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Sorry, I'll go Super Hans another thread now :emb:
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Re: This is What we Have to Look Forward to 29 Dec 2012 15:40 #34

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I like Coldplay, so Super Hans can suck my dick ;)

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andyh wrote:
The ability to question what is accepted by groupthink. To get your own info instead of accepting what you are supplied with on face value.
The ability to think outside the box, creatively.[/quote]

I agree that's generally a positive. Though not a necessary and sufficient condition of intelligence par se.

And it doesn't necessarily make you a stand up guy - the Jew theorists on the DIF see themselves in this way and I'm sure they're generally quite sincere with it. BNP members might think they're seeing through government propaganda about multiculturalism - people who regard themselves as 'thinking outside the box' might actually have views more fucked up and repugnant than those who don't think outside the box at all. Now you might say that sort of people are ignorant fuckstains and I'd agree - but the point is they perceive themselves as not taking things at face value and though the conclusions they come to may be warped they may well be operating from a position of not taking things at face value.
I don't rely on a computer, thats a bonus is all.
Things I need are food,water,shelter, heat. I can fix all sorts of cars and machinery, I can weld, I can work wood, I can use a myriad of tools, I know how to get clean water, I know how to generate power, I know how to grow some grub although IMHO staple foods are the tricky business, I know how to be self employed and run my own business and have been doing it successfully for years now...
All of this is about common sense about not being happy with what you're handed is all.

I take it from that you're not self-sufficient then.

I thought your business was around IT? Surely that would make computers pretty darned important to you, no? And what about your customers? Are you telling me you don't rely on them?
Respect is earned you know?

I'll send an e-mail to everyone living on the dole advising them they've failed to earn your respect by not starting a successful business and that they're thick.
They were racist bigoted assholes who wanted to dominate the planet and impose their authority on everyone else, just the same as the rest of the leaders we can expect to get because idiots keep voting for them, its that simple DM.

Doesn't mean they weren't intelligent people.
You know it, I know it and the Germans ought to know it after experiencing it first hand, unfortunately that generations died off and they've gone back to popping the blue pill again.
HJ used to think the nazis were smart too, they were just cunts.
Smart is someone who has no need of others.

This part I don't understand - it's not like Germany was somehow a bastion of enlightenment after the war.

I guess all these old Germans being shipped off abroad must all be thickos because they need someone to care for them.. Bunch of losers. Fuck 'em.

"they've gone back to popping the blue pill again" - been internalising dialogue from a glorified mobile phone advert produced by Hollywood? Kinda ironic, no?

Sure, it takes a lot of smarts to build something that kills people :roll:

Yeah it often does. Clever people developed Greek fire, which in its day was an awesome weapon. Clever people developed muskets. Clever people developed the V2. Clever people developed nuclear weapons. Intelligence can go in any direction - you don't have to have any morals at all to be intelligent.
Psychopaths tend to be intelligent people.
Intelligence is about understanding simple things like do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
If you don't see that in people then whats the point in labelling them as intelligent ? :)
Nazis are intelligent because they want to kill everyone, yeah great that makes a lot of sense....

If that's your definition of intelligence, I think it's not one shared by 99% of the rest of the world. But I guess they're all thick if they don't see it your way.
It certainly bears no relationship whatsoever to IQ.

Sorry did I say something about battling it? Or did I say something about sorting yourself out? :

Sorting yourself out is cool.
But the behemoth is not going to go down without a fight.
Well thats a pile of doublespeak bullshit if I've ever seen it :D
What 'conspiracy stuff' do I believe in exactly? <I don't expect an answer to that one btw, I've often been told I'm a conspiracy nutter but then no-ones been able to come up with anything.
Which is typical ofc.....

Well an example would be I know you believe 911 was an inside job. I do not. I don't think that makes you a either thick or a nutter in my eyes.

That thing you posted the other day where you thought that one guy was that other guy because they looked kinda similar was pretty 'out there' - I don't believe that for a second.


They're fucked up alright :D

I think I've yet to meet a human being who wasn't fucked up in some way or other.
You could have remained with that view prior to 2008, but not since.
After everything thats happened and that has been made public knowledge you can no longer say that such people are in denial.
The evidence is overwhelming I’m afraid, nice to see you have a bit of faith in them but there’s a reason why the average IQ is around 100 you know.
I find that of those people I meet who do question reality they are invariably of high intelligence, they're usually (not always) in skilled work and/or self employed, not religious, not biased, not indoctrinated.
Their level of education doesn't seem to matter much as if anything the successful self employed crowd have little in the way of establishment education but they are invariably very stubborn and independent.

I admire the self reliant crowd like app and gris as they're doing something about their situation, as for 911 and platsic coffins I really couldn't give a shit.

I admire people who strive for independence, admire people who create things for themselves and admire people who are trying to do their own thing.
I also admire ordinary, decent people just trying to get by who try to do good and don't fuck with anyone else - who might be the checkout girl at Tesco

But isn't it uncanny how these evolved super-people are...running their own business...not religious...see themselves as questioning authority...ah...I get it...the benchmark of intelligence...is you! If only we were all like you Andy...how much better the world would be. Have you considered cloning yourself?

Andy, running your own business means shit. I mean, good for you & all, but I've known loads of people who run their own business and they're generally just people trying to make a few bob. In fact, a fair few are cunts who've internalised this aspirational, entrepreneurial bullshit and want to have their own expanding business that exploits the labour of others for profit. Dragon's Den is chock full of people trying to start their own business - are you suggesting they're all some kind of more evolved beings?
Are you suggesting thei guy down the road is somehow enlightened because he started up a shop I buy my bread from? Because believe you me, he may be a nice enough bloke but all he's trying to do is make money.

And what's religion got to do with it? I've known shitloads of well clever religious people.
And, not wanting to stereotype, what about all the Muslims running corner shops? There's at least three in my town. They're religious people running small businesses...and there's a fair few of them.
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dogsmilk wrote:

I agree that's generally a positive. Though not a necessary and sufficient condition of intelligence par se.

And it doesn't necessarily make you a stand up guy - the Jew theorists on the DIF see themselves in this way and I'm sure they're generally quite sincere with it. BNP members might think they're seeing through government propaganda about multiculturalism - people who regard themselves as 'thinking outside the box' might actually have views more fucked up and repugnant than those who don't think outside the box at all. Now you might say that sort of people are ignorant fuckstains and I'd agree - but the point is they perceive themselves as not taking things at face value and though the conclusions they come to may be warped they may well be operating from a position of not taking things at face value.
Umm no, the BNP crowd believe in false info such as overpopulation without researching it remember?
Just as they believe immigrants and doleys are the problem instead of bankers this despite having years of in your face material oozing out of the mainstream media all over the place showing just how many trillions have been pissed away down a black hole, instead they focus on doleys and immigrants, you cannot seriously consider this in any way intelligent.
Its fucking stupid, get it right.
You need a much better example.
I take it from that you're not self-sufficient then.

I thought your business was around IT? Surely that would make computers pretty darned important to you, no? And what about your customers? Are you telling me you don't rely on them?
The customers provide them, I do in fact know a hell of a lot about computers and can build them from components, I could even probably fabricate a hell of a lot of it...I've built some simple 8 bit machines from raw components at a very low level and can program in binary. There's few ppl I know of capable of that now, I guess it doesn't matter though.
I'll send an e-mail to everyone living on the dole advising them they've failed to earn your respect by not starting a successful business and that they're thick.
If they stay that way forever then yes they won't earn my respect anymore than someone who keeps the same govt PAYE job for the rest of their life.
A lot of people do try and get off the dole and I've nothing against that crowd, the BNP lot would blame them all regardless ofc, this despite themselves being a part of it. The BNP lot just want govt to provide for them and their group instead of everyone. They're all useless wasters in my book.

They were racist bigoted assholes who wanted to dominate the planet and impose their authority on everyone else, just the same as the rest of the leaders we can expect to get because idiots keep voting for them, its that simple DM.
Doesn't mean they weren't intelligent people.
You're really convincing me here :D
You know it, I know it and the Germans ought to know it after experiencing it first hand, unfortunately that generations died off and they've gone back to popping the blue pill again.
HJ used to think the nazis were smart too, they were just cunts.
Smart is someone who has no need of others.
This part I don't understand - it's not like Germany was somehow a bastion of enlightenment after the war.

I guess all these old Germans being shipped off abroad must all be thickos because they need someone to care for them.. Bunch of losers. Fuck 'em.

"they've gone back to popping the blue pill again" - been internalising dialogue from a glorified mobile phone advert produced by Hollywood? Kinda ironic, no?

Ok so now we've gone from nazi voting brownshirt scum to OAP's who've worked their balls off and getting nothing in return somehow...
Perhaps its because their families don't want anything to do with them or perhaps worse still, they have no family to look after them...just as many people here who do not have kids today will not have anyone to look after them when they're old...food for thought perhaps?

Sure, it takes a lot of smarts to build something that kills people :roll:
Yeah it often does. Clever people developed Greek fire, which in its day was an awesome weapon. Clever people developed muskets. Clever people developed the V2. Clever people developed nuclear weapons. Intelligence can go in any direction - you don't have to have any morals at all to be intelligent.
Psychopaths tend to be intelligent people.

Intelligence would value numbers and co-operation rather than destruction...call me cynical lol :)
Intelligence is about understanding simple things like do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
If you don't see that in people then whats the point in labelling them as intelligent ? :)
Nazis are intelligent because they want to kill everyone, yeah great that makes a lot of sense....
If that's your definition of intelligence, I think it's not one shared by 99% of the rest of the world. But I guess they're all thick if they don't see it your way.
It certainly bears no relationship whatsoever to IQ.
Exactly yep.

Sorry did I say something about battling it? Or did I say something about sorting yourself out? :
Sorting yourself out is cool.
But the behemoth is not going to go down without a fight.
There'll be no-one left to put up any kind of fight unless they sort their shit out soon one way or the other.
Well thats a pile of doublespeak bullshit if I've ever seen it :D
What 'conspiracy stuff' do I believe in exactly? <I don't expect an answer to that one btw, I've often been told I'm a conspiracy nutter but then no-ones been able to come up with anything.
Which is typical ofc.....
Well an example would be I know you believe 911 was an inside job. I do not. I don't think that makes you a either thick or a nutter in my eyes.
Ermm nope, I have never said that I know exactly who carried out 911, nor for that matter do I consider it to be important.
I've always downplayed its importance tbh. The only thing I can say with any certainty is that the official version is also bullshit.
That thing you posted the other day where you thought that one guy was that other guy because they looked kinda similar was pretty 'out there' - I don't believe that for a second.
Ah manufactured news with actors, heh, do you want to see a video showing it?


You could have remained with that view prior to 2008, but not since.
After everything thats happened and that has been made public knowledge you can no longer say that such people are in denial.
The evidence is overwhelming I’m afraid, nice to see you have a bit of faith in them but there’s a reason why the average IQ is around 100 you know.
I find that of those people I meet who do question reality they are invariably of high intelligence, they're usually (not always) in skilled work and/or self employed, not religious, not biased, not indoctrinated.
Their level of education doesn't seem to matter much as if anything the successful self employed crowd have little in the way of establishment education but they are invariably very stubborn and independent.

I admire the self reliant crowd like app and gris as they're doing something about their situation, as for 911 and platsic coffins I really couldn't give a shit.
I admire people who strive for independence, admire people who create things for themselves and admire people who are trying to do their own thing.
I also admire ordinary, decent people just trying to get by who try to do good and don't fuck with anyone else - who might be the checkout girl at Tesco

But isn't it uncanny how these evolved super-people are...running their own business...not religious...see themselves as questioning authority...ah...I get it...the benchmark of intelligence...is you! If only we were all like you Andy...how much better the world would be. Have you considered cloning yourself?
Well I already got 4 kids :p
The type of person I mentioned are the ones who will question authority the most and will buck trends.
Like that or not its a fact of life is all.
Andy, running your own business means shit. I mean, good for you & all, but I've known loads of people who run their own business and they're generally just people trying to make a few bob. In fact, a fair few are cunts who've internalised this aspirational, entrepreneurial bullshit and want to have their own expanding business that exploits the labour of others for profit. Dragon's Den is chock full of people trying to start their own business - are you suggesting they're all some kind of more evolved beings?
Are you suggesting thei guy down the road is somehow enlightened because he started up a shop I buy my bread from? Because believe you me, he may be a nice enough bloke but all he's trying to do is make money.
There's this bit in brackets above that said (not all) , that said people who run their own business will understand some rules of the economic game that others will not, IF DESPITE knowing the game is rigged and how to play it to their advantage they still tell the PAYE workers how they are being screwed then they're doing the right thing, if they don't and keep the secret then they're maintaining something that is wrong.
There's a difference between taking advantage of whats available and keeping it to yourself and telling as many others as you can what the advantages are and how they too can 'fuck the system' so to speak.
The more people that do the merrier and that is the difference between me and the 'I'm alright fuck you jack' type of economic liberal such as the Ayn Rand type.
\the ones who run dragons den for example are leeching the blood out of business start ups by pwning them from day one with what is a small investment (tax free remember!) the game is loaded for this cruel vicious bastard and they know it.
They will NEVER tell you how the game works, I WILL, thats the difference, and if you were intelligent you would have seen it by now.
And what's religion got to do with it? I've known shitloads of well clever religious people.
And, not wanting to stereotype, what about all the Muslims running corner shops? There's at least three in my town. They're religious people running small businesses...and there's a fair few of them.

Damn right they are! As are jews...you would think that the BNP crowd would have cottoned on by now but nope...on they go talking shite and being useless spare parts. Always wanting someone else to jim'll fix it for them :roll:

Its not so much religion tbh as culture, they're used to hard work and graft, your average brit expects his life handed to him/her on a plate, they want jobs provided for them, they have no idea how to MAKE jobs.

Religion still acts as a divide and conquer technique just as the nazi crowd have succumbed to it, so do fervent religious types.
Some people are not really religious, they might affiliate themselves with it but they don't take it literally. They're growing in number as are the amount of people who don't really practise any religion at all yet they might be spiritual or have life values that are intelligent and that they actually put in to practise. Religion does not do that, instead it says one thing and does another, how many examples do you want?
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
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