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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:10 #21

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When we cut to the chase of it, do we not all want the same thing? A decent life for everyone?
As far as I can see Anarchism is about a decent life for the small community closest to you.

To me both you guys are just talking platitudes.
So they work in col­lu­sion with busi­ness to keep the busi­ness wheel turn­ing when in actual fact humans don’t need it.
They don’t need money, they don’t need govt they don’t need thou­sands of rules and reg­u­la­tions they are quite use­less.
They exist sim­ply because we believe in it. Thats your man made real­ity if you see what I mean. None of its actu­ally real.

Some smelling salts for Andyh please nurse :zzz: :loco:
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:15 #22

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Guevarista wrote:
To me both you guys are just talking platitudes.


Some smelling salts for Andyh please nurse :zzz: :loco:

Truth doesnt have to be original. In fact truth can be quite uniteresting. But I do like to post SOME things that are original, but not all the time, cos maybe I dont HAVE any REALLY original thoughts to post. Are ANY thoughts ACTUALLY original ?
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:17 #23

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As far as I can see Anarchism is about a decent life for the small community closest to you.


The problem is, any 'ism can be redefined.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:17 #24

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No multi quote on this forum?

I just thought brown had sold the gold at a knockdown price to his buddies or something then left the public with some bits of paper.LOL or maybe worse electric money! :conf:

steevo are there Icke haters or just Icke forum/mod dislikers?

I view TPTB as users of any political system that suits their means for what they want to achieve at that very moment in time! ie they will privatise something in the morning then in the afternoon they will nationalise something else,they don't blink an eye doing so :(
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:20 #25

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Steevo wrote:
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Not sure what you mean there lol :)
I like the anarchists ideology which is in fact what humanity should be aiming for. It should in fact be the job of government to work towards educating people to evolve towards the point where they no longer need government.

Completely agree there (although I am not an anarchist...or any 'ist). However care ALWAYS has to be taken because even Anarchy (or ANY 'ism) that could/should be taught in schools can be manipulated to make it sound like something completely different and dangerous. That is why it is extremeley important for AWARE PARENTS to do alot of teaching to their kids rather than just relying on a dodgy state to do it.

Its not just 'isms' that get taught to be something completely different and indeed dangerous.
For example, the word 'liberal'.
I did go into that on DIF much to the nazis chagrin lol.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:21 #26

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Some smelling salts for Andyh please nurse :zzz: :loco:

Why does everyone 'need' money Gue? :)
Its no use simply saying 'smelling salts please' it needs some backing up.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:22 #27

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humanspirit wrote:
No multi quote on this forum?

I just thought brown had sold the gold at a knockdown price to his buddies or something then left the public with some bits of paper.LOL or maybe worse electric money! :conf:

steevo are there Icke haters or just Icke forum/mod dislikers?

I view TPTB as users of any political system that suits their means for what they want to achieve at that very moment in time! ie they will privatise something in the morning then in the afternoon they will nationalise something else,they don't blink an eye doing so :(

Electronic money is simply taking what is already a concept of mind and taking it one step further, which is to completely embed the concept within mind.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:23 #28

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andyh wrote:
Its not just 'isms' that get taught to be something completely different and indeed dangerous.
For example, the word 'liberal'.
I did go into that on DIF much to the nazis chagrin lol.

What does liberal actually mean these days ?

To me it means "to neither extreme".
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:23 #29

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Nonsense.

This is all well documented Gue.
You can read all about how Bakunin and Proudhon and the rest fell out with Marx, its public knowledge.
Its not taught in schools though.

Where you say "fell out with", having read the Critiques of Engels, Lenin and Marx against Proudhon, Bakunin and a whole plethora of other "great" thinkers on "Anarchism" or "Utopian Socialism" I say lost out to.

The russian revolution was about a need for freedom, something which marx,lenin and co stole from them Gue with a jackboot.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:24 #30

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Steevo wrote:
andyh wrote:
Its not just 'isms' that get taught to be something completely different and indeed dangerous.
For example, the word 'liberal'.
I did go into that on DIF much to the nazis chagrin lol.

What does liberal actually mean these days ?

To me it means "to neither extreme".



This will explain everything for you ;)
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:32 #31

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andyh wrote:
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Some smelling salts for Andyh please nurse :zzz: :loco:

Why does everyone 'need' money Gue? :)
Its no use simply saying 'smelling salts please' it needs some backing up.
Do you use money Andy?

The Russian Revolution was about the need for revolution more than it was about the need for some Western symbol like "freedum", seriously it's starting to feel Orwellian here, people were not dying for slogans, but for the Socialist Revolution, what actually stole it from them was not a dead guy and the people leading the Revolution but the failure of the Revolution in the places where it was essential for Russian Success, IE Germany, Britain, France etcetera, the Russians are still waiting.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:33 #32

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Steevo wrote:
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As far as I can see Anarchism is about a decent life for the small community closest to you.


The problem is, any 'ism can be redefined.
You know what is that, that one word statement if not the definition of platitude?
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:34 #33

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Do you use money Andy?
Absolutely! Knowing that its a waste of time as an individual is useless. Everyone else continues to believe in it so I have to grudgingly carry on with it don't I?
The Russian Revolution was about the need for revolution more than it was about the need for some Western symbol like "freedum", seriously it's starting to feel Orwellian here, people were not dying for slogans, but for the Socialist Revolution, what actually stole it from them was not a dead guy and the people leading the Revolution but the failure of the Revolution in the places where it was essential for Russian Success, IE Germany, Britain, France etcetera, the Russians are still waiting.

Freedom is not a symbol Gue....seriously lol.
The UK is a socialist state too you know... :p
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:37 #34

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You know what is that, that one word statement if not the definition of platitude?

Much of whats going on is obvious and in your face, hence why much of what is said here could be said to be 'platitude'.
That said...I don't see the media pointing out the obvious nor do I see education pointing it out. Given that the mainstream makes no mention of it then could it be said to be NOT all that obvious at all? :D
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:38 #35

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As far as I can see Anarchism is about a decent life for the small community closest to you.


The problem is, any 'ism can be redefined.
You know what is that, that one word statement if not the definition of platitude?

The thing is.....erm..... I dont care :)

Let's move on :)
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:48 #36

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andyh wrote:
Steevo wrote:
andyh wrote:
Its not just 'isms' that get taught to be something completely different and indeed dangerous.
For example, the word 'liberal'.
I did go into that on DIF much to the nazis chagrin lol.

What does liberal actually mean these days ?

To me it means "to neither extreme".



This will explain everything for you ;)

Well I wonder if they need the Obama Youth to think of the Statute of Liberty in a different way. Cos that is one BIG statue that the PTB are NOT gonna want around for much longer.

Btw I started a thread on the DIF years ago about Logical Fallacies and no-one was interested, How Logical Fallacies (false logic) is used to mess with our mind, is essential knowledge for people like us (and everyone really).
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:54 #37

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Correct again Steevo :)
Your mentioning how words get manipulated into meaning something quite different (eg liberal=left wing authoritarian) is something that strikes quite a chord with me :)
We all know how in the end of the book 1984 Winston ended up not knowing his arse from his elbow.
This is basically the ultimate mental state that the elite wish us all to remain in.
Aldous Huxley envisioned using 'soma' to chemically induce such a state, now its becoming obvious that they wish to induce such a state with brainchips imho.
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:54 #38

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Do you use money Andy?
Absolutely! Knowing that its a waste of time as an individual is useless. Everyone else continues to believe in it so I have to grudgingly carry on with it don't I?
here you are saying you long to be a part of a socialist society in which people are working in common towards human aims, and not the accumulation of capital.
Would you not rather change things than grudgingly carry on?
The Russian Revolution was about the need for revolution more than it was about the need for some Western symbol like "freedum", seriously it's starting to feel Orwellian here, people were not dying for slogans, but for the Socialist Revolution, what actually stole it from them was not a dead guy and the people leading the Revolution but the failure of the Revolution in the places where it was essential for Russian Success, IE Germany, Britain, France etcetera, the Russians are still waiting.

Freedom is not a symbol Gue....seriously lol.
The UK is a socialist state too you know... :p
No it isn't andyh, don't be so utterly ridiculous.
And Freedom is a symbol, it certainly has been reduced to one by constant repetition of the likes of American presidents, and western cold war politicians, do you think the native Americans had no Freedom till white settlers gave them the Bill of Rights?
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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 21:57 #39

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Steevo wrote:

Btw I started a thread on the DIF years ago about Logical Fallacies and no-one was interested, How Logical Fallacies (false logic) is used to mess with our mind, is essential knowledge for people like us (and everyone really).
Yes especially Andyh who insists on using the "no true scotsman" argument to defend modern capitalism :down:

anyway I apologise :jakd: I will self moderate my posts and bow out unrespectfully :chuckle:

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Re: Why Gordon brown sold the Gold. 27 Jul 2012 22:00 #40

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Do you use money Andy?
Absolutely! Knowing that its a waste of time as an individual is useless. Everyone else continues to believe in it so I have to grudgingly carry on with it don't I?
here you are saying you long to be a part of a socialist society in which people are working in common towards human aims, and not the accumulation of capital.
Would you not rather change things than grudgingly carry on?
By shooting people perhaps?
You're not going to change anything by refusing to pay :D
Socialism by the way is just an authoritarian government with benefits hand outs...a society with no money whatsoever would need a new word to describe such an 'ism'
The Russian Revolution was about the need for revolution more than it was about the need for some Western symbol like "freedum", seriously it's starting to feel Orwellian here, people were not dying for slogans, but for the Socialist Revolution, what actually stole it from them was not a dead guy and the people leading the Revolution but the failure of the Revolution in the places where it was essential for Russian Success, IE Germany, Britain, France etcetera, the Russians are still waiting.

No it isn't andyh, don't be so utterly ridiculous.
And Freedom is a symbol, it certainly has been reduced to one by constant repetition of the likes of American presidents, and western cold war politicians, do you think the native Americans had no Freedom till white settlers gave them the Bill of Rights?

So now I'm being utterly ridiculous in saying that freedom is not a symbol. :roll:
Does it say anywhere above anything about native americans or for that matter a bill of rights being needed for freedom?
Nope..in fact I explicity state that no such pieces of paper or authority need exist for there to be freedom :D
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