psketti wrote:
The thing is Sketty if you want a weapon in the UK you can get one...no forms...no questionnaires....just some ££££££.

Same as the US.

But if you want legal in the UK compared to the US........ the UK is far more tighter, but then we don't have the "right to bear arms ".

Does it deter people in the UK from owning firearms ?
The people who want them have them, and I don't mean a shotgun either.

K-Bone wrote:
Holy shit , mum I did not know you posted on here

entran­ger­mer­cen­ary wrote:
I'm right there with you K-Bone.

I think a couple of people here have asked why it can't be a lone shooter, and the thing is, no one here said that it couldn't.

To tell the truth, the initial reason I entered the thread was become some here were saying that it was impossible that this guy was mind-controlled. My question when entering the thread was why is this impossible and why do some people feel the need to tell someone to fuck off or call someone stupid when they are discussing these possibilites and their reaction and thoughts to this.
I had no preference to where the discussion led, but I thought it was worth a discussion. There are no answers to be found if there is no discussion.

noseymutegirl wrote:
Im still waiting for that picture so I can have a wank

noseymutegirl wrote:
I think youre right what you are saying NMG, about "discussion".

noseymutegirl wrote:
Thanks, girl. It's not like I went off on some tirade, I just found it curious that he was studying "neuroscience" and obsessed with Hollywood programming. Not really sure how that provoked a "fuck off".

But apparently he has mommie- issues...

I found that interesting, too. Especially since the day after the incident I read that he had volunteered for an experiment in the neurological behavior studies dept. I can't find it now, but I did find on the med school at University of Colorado website an application to volunteer for experiments in the same department. I don't even know if it was the same med school that he was going too, and I don't have the time to cross check everything. I do think it is a high probabllity that his mind has been fucked up and not by his own hands.

My meaning in quoting Chayefsky is the environment that we are living in where it is becoming accepted and the norm and excuses are given that there are worse countries to live in when that isn't even the point. The point is that things are not supposed to be like this. And the notion that questioning what is happening is disrespectful to the dead is really ludicrous. This is not life as usual but I swear most people think that it is.

Do scientists experiment on the living human mind? Yes, they do. Does the military experiment with the mind as a type of warfare? Yes they do. Is there a patent for an instrument that you can use to scramble someone's brains? Why wouldn't there be? We have the technology and their are some evil genuises in this world.

Does any of this have anything to do with this James Holmes? That is the question.... I think the probablity from the little that I have seen is high, and I would like to think it is okay to have that opinion?

It could be about gun control, or about taking away other freedoms. It could also be that something made him snap? Whether it was something inside of him or outside, who knows? Even it was something outside of him, I think that there are experiments that are just that, not even having an agenda other than seeing how far you can bend someone.

I just remembered something else that I read, was an experiment by some school where nanochips were inserted into the brain.

Its all very strange.

ronisron wrote:
with greatest respect ron and i think your a cool poster btw no bull ,
your almost inventing excuses to validate your argument the thing is
one guy takes a call or looks like he took a call in a gloomy theatre full of people ,
eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate in these situations the various
possibilities range from lying to scratching his cheek to being the wrong guy entirely
there is no way on this earth to suggest he was mind controlled or helped by a caller from that evidence


have a beer ive been grouchy lately

mushy wrote:
Inventing excuses? I was just clarifying something for RealAm. When he was seen taking the cell phone call, the house lights would have been on. Keep in mind, witnesses may have been sitting next to, or right behind him -- we don't know this either. They saw him exit, then he, or someone else came back in and the shooting began. There is no evidence nto suggest he wasn't mind controlled -- there isn't. If someone says they saw him, and we don't know from where or how close, sqw him take cell phone call just befoe this rampage started, it actually does lend credence to the idea that he was not alone in this. New info says he had prepared for this for months -- so he didn't just snap and "go crazy".. he was organizing this for a while. I posted a link earlier, a few posts back, about his demeanor in court, there are pictures and a video. The article said he appeared to be sedated, because he sat there bug eyed, expressionless except for the odd facial tic, and he said nothing. The pics and video confirm that he did appear out of it.

We're just trying to figure this out man. That's all. No need to be grumpy. There seems to be a lot more going on that "lone nut shoots up theatre because he wanted to be famous", and there are already changes to security at theatres being implemented. More security, more scanners.... but no motive whatsoever from the guy who did it. If you see a different story than I do, that's cool with me. I enjoy honest debate, not going around in circles with someone who is just being contrary.

Not sure if this has been posted and don't feel like going back through 9 pages to see (yes, I am lazy, it's past my bedtime)...
Today was the guys first day in court, on the evening news they were actually talking about how he had a "blank" look and a "dead" stare... showed some video of the guy and he looked like he didn't know WTF was going on.


Also to the gun stuff... if you buy from a gun store, chances are you have to register the gun unless you know the owner or the owner will sell it to you minus all the paperwork. Gun shows, same thing. Pawn shops, if they carry guns, most of the time you don't gotta go through piles of paperwork to get it. Some places do background checks, others don't. Can arrange to get them through all sorts of black market and street deals (including the FEDs). Can find them on craigslist (advertising website in the US broken up into states/cities) and other classified ads without having to fill any paperwork out. Some places insist you have a license to carry concealed, but no one really enforces it unless you get caught. You don't have to have a license to carry at all as long as it is in sight (strapped to your leg, hanging off your hips on top of clothing, etc...) in most places... when carrying, in a vehicle, ammo and unloaded gun have to be in separate places (again not something they really enforce unless you get caught). And just recently in Arizona, they approved not having to have a license to carry a concealed weapon (not sure if it was overthrown or not, but after this Colorado thing I am sure they will try).

Stars, funneh you say that about the video footage of him (which i haven't seen yet). My cousin phoned me up last week talking about it to me. She said he looked 'blank' and said she believed it was mind control like I suggested to her and she isn't even into these wild conspiracies.

Sorry to arrive late to the debate.

If you see the shooter in court then you will see that he appears to be drugged or out of it in some way. Not sure if he was sedated or something but he does not appear to really be aware of what is going on.




My initial thoughts (i guess as is common from forums like this) were that some things did not add up about him and the event. I acknowledge however that maybe he was just nuts but we should certainly not dismiss anything even if it sounds "crazy"



The big problem here is that we have very little real evidence available apart from news reports and interviews. I think it worth looking at his background. I believe some people have expressed no surprise that this was Holmes though. So maybe he was mentally unstable. having said that the whole neuroscience is interesting. The other interesting point of course is the whole Columbine thing which is a very odd case that has lots of questions regarding conspiracy.

The bombs he used in his apartment were apparently very complex which is the same thing they said about the bombs used in the cafeteria at Columbine. Of course in both cases those bombs didn`t go off. We will probably get more and more confused by this as time goes on as evidence will come out that contradicts other evidence.

Also when I first saw this i thought this was a fake interview. Not sure what you guys think but everybody on the comments appears to agree that this was faked.

isnt it normal practice in extreme cases to offer suspects medication under medical supervision im sure prisoners get still get treatment for anxiety or other conditions ,

yknow this was a special premier show at midnight yet some nuts are still saying the movie influenced him , now how in the name of fuck can you be influenced by something you havent seen ,
maybe if it was shown to him in private as part of the mind control programme

Humm and he went on to be the president.

It seems that there is much talk on the internetz of James Holmes not being James Holmes. I think the person in both pictures is the same and perhaps this is just people looking for conspiracy where there is none. Of course that is not to discount a conspiracy but I think some people get carried away with things. It is hard to trust information coming out because you never know either way. I heard somebody say that he allegedly doesn`t know why he is in jail. Of course this could be false or maybe part of his defense but I think it is safe to say he is a little crazy if he did this and planned this as they say he did. I don`t want to leap on to a conspiracy but this is an interesting case.

Anthony65 wrote:
"There's probably loads more..."

Yes, indeed. Loads more.

For example, volume 1 of the Batman: Dark Knight series was called "Golden Dawn". Golden dawn = Aurora. Just to make the connection even more clear, one of the characters in volume 1 "Golden Dawn" is called Dawn Golden. The Aurora shooting happened one week before the opening of the London / ZION Olympics, which has proved to be a golden dawn for the host nation. And as if that wasn't enough, the Aurora Gateway school very close to the cinema has the motto "Home to the Olympians". The Golden Dawn was / is of course an occult order.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight#Volume_One

www.google.com/imgres?q=aurora+school+ol...=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:81

Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg as regards this story and there some excellent blogs out there with lots more details for those who are interested in connecting all the dots, or at least, some of the dots.

Apologies if this has been covered already & I've missed it...

10 Facts Revealing Conspiracy Behind Aurora Shooters
August 4, 2012

1. James Holmes had no job, was earning unemployment but was able to purchase close to 10k in weapons, explosives, and tactical equipment, and this all happened within 2 months. The chances that Holmes could afford to finance this on his own is highly unlikely. Someone helped finance this attack, follow the money and we will find the masterminds.

As it stands, that sounds highly suspicious, but I've read nothing else anywhere regarding his family's financial circumstances, or the intrinsic value of equipment used, so can't be certain whether or not it's supposition.

2. The testimony of 2 key eye witnesses totally contradicts the official story of there being one shooter, with no accomplice in the attack. One witness testified that the tear gas canisters came from both sides of the theatre, a second witness testified that before the movie began he saw someone sit down in the front row, and shortly after sitting down his phone rang and instead of walking into the main lobby to take the call, he walked over to the emergency exit to the right side of the theatre opened the door and looked to be signaling someone outside the theatre. Shortly after the shooter made entrance through the emergency exit and commenced his attack.

Yep, that'sbeen well documented.

3. Evidence photos - Evidence photos have surfaced of a gas mask outside of the emergency exit of theatre 8, police reported that when they arrested the shooter in the white Hyundai outside of theatre 9 he was wearing a gas mask, that would make 2 gas masks that were recovered. Also photos show the AR-15 propped up against the wall opposite of the fire exit door of theatre 9, police radio communications reported that night that the rifle was found inside the theatre, and even if the the AR-15 was discarded outside the theatre do you think the gunman was going to take the time to set the weapon down ? The Hyundai - why was the window missing? I thought he put up no resistance as he was being taken into custody ?

These things indicate, to me at least, that either there were accomplices, or a less likely possibility is that there's confusion and misreporting of what was recovered from where.

4. Radio communications from the night of the attack -

*First report of suspects was two men fleeing the theatres both wearing back packs, what happened to these two suspects??

*Reports of three people dragging an unknown individual into a non descript vehicle and speeding off

*the majority of injured and witnesses were not given access to ambulances, they were to be transported by other vehicles to the high school. WHY?

* Police radio that one of the shooters may be wearing blue and plaid shirt

*Magazine and AR-15 dropped in theatre

Again, it's looking like there were others involved. Can anyone think of an explanation for transportation to have been other than ambulances? Maybe they thought there may be a further attack of some kind made on such a target?

5. Pool of eye witnesses - It was reported that the theatre had over 300 people in it, there have been less than 10 eye witnesses with a only a few taking most of the spotlight ie. Jennifer Seeger. The KEY eye witnesses seem to have very well rehearsed testimony but have not given much sense to whether there testimony is actually plausible - Jennifer Seeger has consistently given a description of the shooter, that miraculously matches James Holmes to a T, even though she has told reporters that she was face down in the aisle, and surrounded by tear gas/gas obstructing her view. Seeger also described the gas canisters down to the colour, personally I believe this was an impossibility in that scenario. She also mentioned that hot shell casings were hitting her in the forehead as the gunman was spraying the theatre, how is this possible? she was on her front was she not? Another point that should be noted is that for a event that involved 300 people, there has been a surprisingly low amount of postings on youtube, facebook, and Twitter. No one who was involved in this event is talking about it, beyond that small group of witnesses that have been talking to national media outlets.

Not damning in itself, imo, but certainly a bit suspicious.

Back in a minute.

6. Holmes booby trapped apartment - How are we to believe that a 24 yr old, former jewish camp counselor, gaming nerd, science rock star, Neuroscience PHD had the skill set to set up a system of explosive devices and booby traps that would have the FBI bewildered for almost two days?? How are we to believe that ?? There is no way this maze of death was the work of one neuroscience student. It's BS.

That is a convincing argument to my mind. Unless someone can tell me different, I'd expect many people to have sufficient ability to set up some kind of booby-trap, just by following instructions probably somewhere on the net. But one sophisticated enough to, "Bewilder the FBI", for 2 days. I'm highly doubtful that you could easily find instructions at that level.

7. Rumours of Holmes's Neuroscience program being funded by DARPA - Neursoscience + DARPA + MKULTRA the perfect marriage

I'm not seeing any chortle-worthy material there.

8. Anti-gun agenda - Didn't anyone notice how quick public officials were ready to talk to the media about antigun legislation ? Bloomberg publically called out Obama and Romney to do something about the lack of gun control in the US, excellent timing seeing as the UN has legislation on the table to ban small arms globally.

Sounds logical - and I wouldn't call myself 'pro-gun' btw.

9. The fact that Holmes allegedly bought the guns legally, to me this is the biggest smoking gun that this attack is being used as sounding board for the anti gun/disarmament agenda, think about it...most intelligent people who were planning an attack like this would do everything they could to stay off of the radar, buying the guns legally doesn't allow one to do that. What they are trying to do is demonize the legal gun owner, saying hey Holmes wasn't a criminal he was a normal guy who went crazy, and due to his ability to legally buy these firearms he was able to pull off these attacks.

I agree. It's smelly.

10. The roomates - The initial reports were that Holmes was living with two other people, but once people started asking who these roommates were, the story had changed to no roommates that he lived by himself. The roommate story had to change because everyone was asking the same thing, if Holmes had roommates where are they ? Are they in the apartment with all of those explosive materials? It makes no sense!!! I don't think there were any explosives in Holmes residence, I think that they were buying time to construct this BS story.

And smellier.

Source...

www.blacklistednews.com/10_Facts_Reveali.../M.html?csp=obinsite

All good info, Gilly, especially re the description of the shooter. I know from my own experience, once those theatre lights go down, I can't see feck all, let alone facial features or even hair colour.

I've often found myself fumbling in someone elses crotch area for this very reason. Seriously.

Wasn't he all masked up, anyway?