Humans outside of the conspiracy movement seem to enjoy the new world media.

Most inside of the conspiracy movement seem to think life on earth is getting worse.

Are people on forums like this 'including myself' naturally more cynical?

Is the purpose of nature just the advancement and development of life?

I realize it all has alot to do with a combination of factors,

RealAmerican wrote:
The short answer to these questions is, I don't know. I can speculate, but as you've pointed out, one person's 'hell' is another person's paradise. What works for me, doesn't work for others. I really wish I understood the purpose of life, because I don't like the answers currently given. They don't make an ounce of sense for me. "You're here to serve god", "You're the universe experiencing itself", "We're just kind of here, there is no purpose to it."

For starters, I'm not here to serve any 'god'. The last time I checked I wasn't a butler, a neo-serf maybe, but not a butler. I really hope I'm not the universe experiencing itself. The implications of that are so mind-numbingly stupid, that I think would have a permanent hand print on my face from the most epic facepalm ever conceived. Talk about the ultimate form of vanity. What's worse is that would imply the Universe allows itself to abuse itself. Humans are pretty shitty to one another. While I admire and respect Science, the explanation of life is little more than them grasping at straws. You can look at theoretical models, string theory, and biology all you want, but there is no solid explanation as to why life and conscious beings even exist. Given the odds, we shouldn't even be here, let alone forming civilizations.

Mrindigo wrote:
I sure don't think i'm the universe experiencing itself.

All it takes for me is to drive down the road and see the same thing's set in the same places.

Im just a human created by cells from my parents living on Earth growing older each day.

That's my simple perception.

RealAmerican wrote:
Why do people use the word 'cynical' like it's a bad thing?

The purpose of nature is to look after nature and reign us in when we forget who/what is really in charge!

I don't have a intelligent answer to your question RA ,but I really believe many of the people that post on forums of this type are way more aware of things going on in the world.

Which the majority of people who are content in whatever comfort they have grown accustomed to has closed their minds to,and don't concern themselves with the human condition or think much about it,their somewhat callous also in a way, about human suffering, if it doesn't effect their own little world or comfort zone. imo

RealAmerican wrote:
The only correct answer you can give is that life has improved in general but we've not made big inroads with many 3rd world countries still.

andyh wrote:
Was gonna say...life may have improved for a percentage of us, but there are still an awful lot of people around who lack even the basics. This is the way it has been for a while, imo. So, i'd say no. The human 'experience' has not improved one iota, and it won't until we have this basic stuff covered.

Maybe it is just what it is? Light and dark, up and down etc. All experience is entirely subjective and ultimately valid as 'experience', after all.

Ab Origine wrote:
Even 3rd world countries have improved.
Its not much of an improvement as such but it is there.

It depends what you class as improved. Some would argue that things were better before us westerners knew such places even existed

Somalia is a hellhole, words fail to describe that place. that said there are other places that have seen some improvement, particularly in south america.

Much more could and should have been done imho. C'est la vie though.

andyh wrote:
Yea only spent a small amount of time in the 3rd world so it's hard for me to say.

But I do hear that South America is going thru alot of developing every year.

And the Africans are not chopping each other up with machetes as much anymore.

Mexico and most of the Middle east have not improved much i guess.

Things are changing and there could be a future of peaceful multiculturalism here in the US.

I already had the opportunity to live thru the youthful prime years of life into my 30's.

Things are different now that im older and maybe im more cynical or bitter but that's just the way it is.

With all the free land in the US a future where people can still have a balance of technology and nature is real.

Transhumanism is only going to happen to people that don't take the time to enjoy the forest and streams.

If a kid want's to stay on his iphone more than he want's to play outside that's his or her choice.

RealAmerican wrote:
It's not a safe or fun place anymore to spend a weekend running around town in Mexico anymore,it has got really much worse and dangerous

Rick i think the situation in mexico will start to heal itself in 10 years or so.

The western ship sail's regardless and will only hit rough waters when rich people get greedy.

The Greedy and Extremist are going to just slowly fade away it seems.

Even if the doom & gloomers over at DIF are right and some Massive Cataclysm happens things won't change much.

If you are being paid £2million to find a chemical combination that could decimate entire populations but leave infrastructure intact, and in the process of your experimentation, you find chemical combinations that could alleviate hunger, increase life span, cure Aids or HIV, unless there is a market for such combinations, or somebody paying for those particular combinations, you are going to discard them and carry on working to find the chemical weapon you're being paid to find.

Guevarista wrote:
There has always been bad people in the world.

I realize now the world is getting better and it's just me that's bitter i'm not young anymore.

I think it all depends on the individual and how they perceive things, from my perspective things don't look to great.
Sometimes, I wish I kept my head buried in the sand but the fighter in me says don't.

andyh wrote:
Much more should have done by whom?