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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:00 #41

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Good article, doesn't seem to repeat the revisionist myths you posted above.
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:03 #42

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Are you honestly arrogant enough to assume I've never heard of ghostwriters?haha good link this one:
www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm
I recommend you try reading it :D

Maybe "Others" are reading the thread,and maybe they have never heard of a ghostwriter...Not sure what make's you think I am Arrogant...quite the contrary dear fellow...
Most world-renowned dictators, rulers of extraordinary power, loved to appear in public surrounded by children. A hidden message was that every dictator presented himself as the father of his nation and knew best what his people should and should not do. Sometimes he had to punish his children, even severely, when they did not listen, but this was the difficult role of any father.

There are many posters, documentary and feature films, paintings, sculptures, etc. showing Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Saddam Hussein and Stalin with children. The pictures all follow the same pattern, portraying the great leader receiving flowers, giving orders, listening to songs or watching dances. Propaganda in art, music, posters and architecture employed children’s images rather extensively. At the same time the importance of childhood was continuously emphasized, children's institutions for education and leisure were well organized and controlled. Totalitarian regimes had very sophisticated ideology, dual standards permitted in every aspect of life. Happy children’s faces on posters and pictures actually did not allow us to think about the reality behind the curtains.



Stalin’s era is very representative in this sense and provides a lot of material for studying and understanding what really happened to children under totalitarianism.
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Good article, doesn't seem to repeat the revisionist myths you posted above.

I am sure people reading it can make up their own minds...

Interesting link below for those of you who are interested...

www.21stcenturysociety.org/Olga+Andrei.html
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:14 #43

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Theodor W. Adorno (Tavistock Institute) was the brains behind the 'Beatles'.."With a Little Help From My Friends" ..Ghostwriters to be more precise :chuckle: :chuckle:
Alan: I mean Plato talked about “culture creation” 2,300 years ago and he went through the whole procedure. In fact, in ancient Greece it was MANDATORY at one point that everybody attend the traveling teachers that came across the Middle East and in the Grecian areas and even the slaves had to attend at least one performance and he talks about this. He said, “that is where the women get their costumes and their fashion.” He calls it, “the fashion industry,” and he said, “it’s backed up by the drama which teaches them certain morals or obedience to the system or the king,” and he said, “the music which backs it up affects the young and sets them into a certain mode of thinking and seeing things.” So this science or “culture creation” has always been perfectly understood.

www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1767100,1767100
cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/...lan_Watt_052506.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_images_on_...ely_Hearts_Club_Band
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:29 #44

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Adorno was Frankfurt School (another favourite target of cyber neocons) not Tavistock ;)
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LightGiver wrote:

Obama Crowley



That's a genuine t-shirt that ain't photoshopped then? :think:
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:30 #46

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Am I sensing some history between you 2?
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:37 #47

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oioioi wrote:
Am I sensing some history between you 2?
i sense it too but unfortunately -behind the obfuscatory veil he/she has obviously spent time on developing- we can't be sure :up:

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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:39 #48

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psketti wrote:
LightGiver wrote:

Obama Crowley



That's a genuine t-shirt that ain't photoshopped then? :think:
lol of course it isn't, Obama is not a fucking idiot, the Conservative media in the US would have lambasted the guy and Mitt Romney would be president if it was ;)
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Mike wrote:
lol of course it isn't, Obama is not a fucking idiot

LOL, clearly that's my job :psketti:
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 00:53 #50

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Mike wrote:
lol of course it isn't, Obama is not a fucking idiot, the Conservative media in the US would have lambasted the guy and Mitt Romney would be president if it was ;)

Ah the Republic... ;)

Mitt Romney Hmm...Now I think you are teasing me...Mitt Romney spent two and a half years in France as a Mormon missionary ... :chuckle:

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The number 93 is of great significance in Thelema, a religious philosophy founded by English author and occultist Aleister Crowley in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law (also known as Liber AL vel Legis).

The Beehive house was constructed in 1854, two years before the Lion House. The Lion House is adjacent to the Beehive House, and both homes are one block east of the Salt Lake Temple and Temple Square on the street South Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah. It is constructed of adobe and sandstone.A beehive atop the mansion was used by Young to represent industry, an important concept in Mormonism...


Vyzygoth: When you talk about in the Greek times of those plays that people were told to watch, right?

Alan: Yes.

Vyzygoth: All right now. Books come. Books go. I can choose to read them or not, but when you do take a look at the pervasive role that television has played in one’s home, even when people aren’t compelled to watch what’s going on, they really are kind of drawn to it. Again, here’s the situation – or they may not be dragged into to do it but they do it to themselves. Would it be that the electronic culture especially to include 24/7 television in one’s home, people are really doing it to themselves?

Alan: In a sense. You see, people have always had a tremendous capacity for entertainment. This is a TRAIT that WE have NATURALLY. It’s INNATE. It’s well understood as a science. Always has been. Interestingly, in the Soviet Union actors and playwrights – they called themselves “the culture creators.” They call themselves that openly, and after 9/11 when the big hullabaloo came about with the Emmy Awards. I think it was the Emmy or Oscars or something, Susan Sarandon came forward and she actually called herself “WE, on behalf of the Culture Creation Industry.” They’re well aware of their role in this; and the communist system, interesting enough, or the Soviet System had Departments of Culture...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_(Thelema)
eom.byu.edu/index.php/Beehive_Symbol
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_State_Route_193
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 01:07 #51

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That's a genuine t-shirt that ain't photoshopped then? :think:

I am sure its Photoshopped,just made me :chuckle: when I saw it...I am sure thelema is practised in the good Ol Us of A though...Bohemian Grove,Flight 93 and all that,...



You never Know....

rense.com/general77/acrow.htm
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 01:09 #52

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LightGiver wrote:

I am sure its Photoshopped,just made me :chuckle: when a saw it

I am thoroughly disappoint it's not real :psketti:
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 01:23 #53

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psketti wrote:
LightGiver wrote:
I am sure its Photoshopped,just made me :chuckle: when a saw it

I am thoroughly disappoint it's not real :psketti:
I am assuming it is Photoshopped,these below are not though.. ;) "And since in practically all the temples where Serapis and Isis were worshiped there was also a figure that seemed to enjoin silence by a finger pressed against its lips"

Crowley5


In late Greek mythology as developed in Ptolemaic Alexandria, Harpocrates (Greek: Ἁρποκράτης) is the god of silence. Harpocrates was adapted by the Greeks from the Egyptian child god Horus. To the ancient Egyptians, Horus represented the newborn Sun, rising each day at dawn. When the Greeks conquered Egypt under Alexander the Great, they transformed the Egyptian Horus into their Hellenistic god known as Harpocrates, a rendering from Egyptian Har-pa-khered or Heru-pa-khered (meaning "Horus the Child")...

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The modern Aeon of Horus is portrayed as a time of self-realization as well as a growing interest in all things spiritual, and is considered to be dominated by the principle of the child. The Word of its Law is Thelema (will), which is complemented by Agape (love), and its formula is Abrahadabra. Individuality and finding the individual's True Will are the dominant aspects; its formula is that of growth, in consciousness and love, toward self-realization. Concerning the Aeon of Horus, Crowley wrote:

". . .the crowned and conquering child, who dieth not, nor is reborn, but goeth radiant ever upon His Way. Even so goeth the Sun: for as it is now known that night is but the shadow of the Earth, so Death is but the shadow of the Body, that veileth his Light from its bearer." (Heart of the Master)...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpocrates
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon_(Thelema)#Aeon_of_Horus
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The Republic (Plato) 10 Apr 2013 21:30 #54

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mysterioushollowearth.webs.com/phaedoparas600624.htm
Socrates Final Conversation




605-"Also I believe that the earth is very vast, and that we who dwell in the region extending from the river Phasis to the Pillars of Heracles, along the borders of the sea, are just like ants or frogs about a marsh, and inhabit a small portion only, and that many others dwell in many like places. For I should say that in all parts of the earth there are hollows of various forms and sizes, into which the water and the mist and the air collect; and that the true earth is pure and in the pure heaven, in which also are the stars—that is the heaven which is commonly spoken of as the ether, of which this is but the sediment collecting in the hollows of the earth.

But we who live in these hollows are deceived into the notion that we are dwelling above on the surface of the earth; which is just as if a creature who was at the bottom of the sea were to fancy that he was on the surface of the water, and that the sea was the heaven through which he saw the sun and the other stars—he having never come to the surface by reason of his feebleness and sluggishness, and having never lifted up his head and seen, nor ever heard from one who had seen, this region which is so much purer and fairer than his own.

Now this is exactly our case: for we are dwelling in a hollow of the earth, and fancy that we are on the surface; and the air we call the heaven, and in this we imagine that the stars move. But this is also owing to our feebleness and sluggishness, which prevent our reaching the surface of the air: for if any man could arrive at the exterior limit, or take the wings of a bird and fly upward, like a fish who puts his head out and sees this world, he would see a world beyond; and, if the nature of man could sustain the sight, he would acknowledge that this was the place of the true heaven and the true light and the true stars.

For this earth, and the stones, and the entire region which surrounds us are spoilt and corroded, like the things in the sea which are corroded by the brine; for in the sea too there is hardly any noble or perfect growth, but clefts only, and sand, and an endless slough of mud: and even the shore is not to be compared to the fairer sights of this world. And greater far is the superiority of the other. Now of that upper earth which is under the heaven, I can tell you a charming tale, Simmias, which is well worth hearing."

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A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


www.happyplace.com/24470/a-love-letter-t...g-my-online-activity
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In 391 AD, Alexandria, is part of the Roman Empire, and Greek philosopher Hypatia , is a teacher at the Platonic school, where future leaders are educated. Hypatia is the daughter of Theon, the director of the Musaeum of Alexandria. Hypatia, her father's slave, Davus , and two of her pupils, Orestes and Synesius , are immersed in the changing political and social landscape...



Many Aghori gurus command great reverence from rural populations as they are supposed to possess miraculous healing powers gained through their intensely eremitic rites and practices of renunciation and tápasya...
The philosopher Plato wrote of enormous subterranean "tunnels both broad and narrow" that made up the earth's interior. Plato states in Phædo Paras. 600–624 that "There is a chasm which is the vastest of them all, and pierces right through the whole earth". (Then again, Plato also believed in extramission, the theory that rays of light extend out from our eyes.)...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory_(vision)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_(film)
www.xenophilia.com/zb0008d.htm
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Pico was born on February 24, 1463, to a noble Italian family, the counts of Mirandola and Concordia near Modena in the Emilia-Romagna north of Tuscany. At the age of fourteen he left for Bologna, intending briefly to study canon law, but within two years he moved to Ferrara and shortly afterward to Padua, where he met one of his most important teachers, Elia del Medigo, a Jew and an Averroist Aristotelian. By the time he left Padua in 1482, he had also felt the attraction of the Platonism being revived by Marsilio Ficino, and by 1484 he was corresponding with Angelo Poliziano and Lorenzo de'Medici about poetry...
Is it possible that Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt were invented during Renaissance? Can it be that Jesus Christ was born in 1053 AD and crucified in 1086 AD? Scientific research points to the evidence that many modern beliefs of traditional history are a sham.

"History: Fiction or Science?" by the eminent mathematician Anatoly Fomenko and his colleagues crowns 30 years of meticulous and extensive research. It is the first volume in seven comprising a "Chronology" that exposes numerous questionable notions of traditional history...

plato.stanford.edu/entries/pico-della-mirandola/
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Trust the tale and not the Teller

The work of PDM was clear: we, or perhaps most of us, are demons, saints or less than human by means of choice and/or opportunity.

What he was clear about was an almost Theospohist and yet still Christian (and/or other spiritual school) that we are capable of being things of extremes.

An unreflected life blids us to this. But it takes more than relection. It needs conclusion. One cannot postpone indefinitely the decision. Because in the meanime one IS..

I believe in a redemption of the wicked. But I don't use it as an insurance.

small steps.
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"The eye is like a mirror, and the visible object is like the thing reflected in the mirror." -- Avicenna, early 11th century...

Avicenna created an extensive corpus of works during what is commonly known as Islam's Golden Age, in which the translations of Greco-Roman, Persian, and Indian texts were studied extensively. Greco-Roman (Mid- and Neo-Platonic, and Aristotelian) texts by the Kindi school were commented, redacted and developed substantially by Islamic intellectuals, who also built upon Persian and Indian mathematical systems, astronomy, algebra, trigonometry and medicine...


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"And thus I clothe my naked villany. With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ"
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