German Filmproduction NuoViso intervews political analyst and government consultant
Christoph Hoerstel. (long)

1hr 30mins with english Subtitles.

novum wrote:
Im not going to sit and watch a film for that long with subtitles unless its a porno

TBH its a minefield boom boom, but it will not result in global conflict If im wrong sue me

daavid1 wrote:

That's some claim to make there Mr daaavvviiidd ... is wakeup rubbing off on you?

Well im trying to stay away from war threads

Not sure how it will pan out , as always there is the unknown element or murphy's law as we like to call it.

The middle east is a fucked up place, even if you take the Jews out of the equation, you hve the 2 brands of Islam who will fight each other anyway.

World war, simple question is this and the language used will be the same used by the generals in hushed whispers.

Russia...Do we risk a nuclear war where all our major cities, infrastructure and millions will die over a bunch of ragheads ??

China has its work in Africa and also does not give a fuck about Iran.

The yanks, they hve the most sophisticated hardware going, they have the experience of waging war all over the world. There command and control is far more experienced and light years ahead of the Russians and Chinese.

Why would the Chinese and Russians get involved in backing Iran in a war when they have no interest except for selling weapons systems to them, which could result in the decimation of there countries ?

Not saying the yanks will not also take a major hit on the cities as well.

Yes I would love to rub off on wankmeoff2nwo

daavid1 wrote:
So noted


As for the rest. A world war would generate industry, decrease the population and give them a prime reason to install a load of restrictions and control features on an unprecedented scale... all for our own safety of course.

But who knows...

psketti wrote:
A modern war and the result will see madmax come to the fore

Its about conventional war not turning into a nuclear nitemare, and that is what will happen. Lets say for instance 100million chinks decide to march on Europe. Thats a lot of fucking people and weapons. The idea of the development of the tactical nuclear weapon fired from an artillery piece or air launched was to counter soviet tank divisions as they come across from East Germany.
We ( NATO) and the Soviets( + Chinese ) still have tactical nuclear weapons which will be deployed and then the field commander in charge will have an option to use them.Believe me some of the field commanders are errr Once tactical has been used the next step is ICBM, land or sea launched, that option will happen very quick after tactical, probably within minutes.
It will be luck whether you or anybody will survive the initial impacts but then the fun starts. Prevailing winds for radiation, sickness and death. Nuclear winter fuck all growing. Everybody has seen the films, there will be survivors somewhere.

Now the ptb know this and to be honest they will be as fucked as we are. Ive worked in one of them underground bases, up your way near Rosyth as part of FOSNI doing comms at the time.Its not to clever underground either although things have come on in 30yrs luxury wise.
The way to cull the population is a virus,that can be targetted at specific gene pools, which I think that technology all ready exists.

I've said thank you but can't say I'm what you'd call thankful

psketti wrote:
Awww

No need to say thankyou to me , nobody ever does

daavid1 wrote:

daavid1 wrote:


"Two men enter; one man leaves".

(I hear sketti has that tattooed on her person somewhere too)

Ab Origine wrote:
Even if half of that where true, it's still more man than you've had.

psketti wrote:
Can't argue with that.

I'm no war expert, but here's my two cents: It's already started in baby steps.

"Nobody" attacked Iran's nuclear facility with a computer virus; I've heard it was Israel, I've heard it was us - whatever.

And just recently our domestic pipeline network was hacked. Authorities say the source was traced to China. Maybe it the was Chinese, maybe it was a sophisticated masking program making it appear to be based in China. Maybe the Russians are pissed about our missile sites in East Europe, recently making the statement that they will act in accordance to their needs, when and if required.

So, when "nobody" does it to Iran (or others) it's OK, but when it's done to us it's a heinous crime, an attack perpetrated by evil-doers.....or, could it possibly be retaliation? A bit of tit for tat?
I'm interested in thoughts.

As far as avoiding nuclear devices, evidence has been garnered that the US military has been using DU devices in the ME. (and, evidently, elsewhere for a little while that I'm aware of)

The other guys use bad things in war, or police actions, or escalated diplomatic approaches, as well. It's just not right.

Nobody's an angel, but as my father said on 9-11 when I was finally able to get a call through to him, "Well, I guess somebody's tired of us being the playground bully". I still have my suspicions about that day - but that's another thread.

And BTW, what's this rumor about Israel laundering bombs and plutonium enhancement things through other countries ultimately bound for Iran? Anyone heard that rumor?

There will NEVER be a war with Iran EVER....

1 Big population.

2 Not desert, Forests, Mountains and even snow.

3 Modern weaponry.

4 Shitload of martyrs that will travel from around the globe to fight, like iran/iraq war.

5 Not arabs, So their military doctrine is flexible.

There is a lot more reasons, But i will stop for now...

excession wrote:
First of all just a quick reply to coco.

The cyber attack against Iran did happen and they did retaliate against Israel with there own attack.Sources coco sources

Now I do think Iran will be attacked at some point.No ground invasion tho, as the civilian population have been told and indoctrinated about the great Satan.
The amount of manpower to launch a ground invasion against a military that's 2nd tier but more importantly a hostile civilian population, who would be armed is a a nightmare. The Yanks would not get a multi national force together for it, as many Governments learned after Iraq that implementing a new regime comes with costs.

Air strikes and possible Special Forces raids are an option, but then how will the Iranians react ?
Hezbollah will certainly launch strikes against Israel and tbh every Muslim fundi will be taking action against US/Israel/NATO/Western targets soft or hard as the opportunity presents itself.The Iranians will have sleeper cells/ or active service units ready for this event, after all they must have read the DI forums and many others predicting an attack on Iran every fucking week

Egypt ? with its US weapons systems and Military government how will they react!! ?
Syria is out of the equation now with its own internal problems agitated by the Sunnis and west.Part of the plan ??

Iran has certain modern weapons systems but if you think they are a match for any western/US systems you or anybody else is mistaken.

Remember the Iranians saying any shipping in the Persian Gulf especially military must ask permission to be there or be sunk. PMSL.Think they got carried away with the thought of the flying boats
There is a huge exercise going on atm with US/NATO warships and aircraft in the gulf, that says it all.
Just an opinion

I apologize, Daavid1, for the lack of clarity in my previous post. I italicized and quoted 'nobody' to emphasize that somebody hacked Iran, and I lean toward either us or Israel. USA and Israel accused each other but neither took responsibility (officially that is, could well have been a joint effort), but certainly someone did and many feel it was one or the other.

Of course Iran are no match militarily for western powers...but then again they don't need to win, They just need to kill as many invaders as possible...to crack western public opinion which they are more than capable of doing.

Coco wrote:
No need to apologize coco, Im used to women not being clear jk

Cyber warfare is indeed a potent weapon and 1 the US are very vulnerable to, but saying that so are most of the modern armies because of command and control elements.

excession wrote:
I would think limited casualties are not a problem for public perception. Look at AFGHAN long campaign but tbh limited casualties.
Boots on the ground in Iran will not happen unless they are Iranian trained by the US.

daavid1 wrote:
Them Iranians trained by the US won't be many...and you can't compare the Taliban to the Iranians...the comparison is not even close.