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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 15 Sep 2012 22:44 #41

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The man who set the Middle East ablaze hides his face in shame:

Californian filmmaker behind Mohammed movie interviewed by police

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203663...e.html#ixzz26ZpmbTUN
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 15 Sep 2012 22:47 #42

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You think it is any different over the pond?

c.f. Matt Simmons
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 15 Sep 2012 22:52 #43

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real american the dailymail (which you quoted) is a non newspaper in the uk.....It is often referred to as the dailyfail.

It's nothing but a sensesationlist taloid
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 15 Sep 2012 23:45 #44

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real american the dailymail (which you quoted) is a non newspaper in the uk.....It is often referred to as the dailyfail.

It's nothing but a sensesationlist taloid

Since this is a UK website i try to post UK links, I heard the cops had him on the MSM over here.

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/feds-i...alLinksEnabled=false

^Here is the article from New York Daily news.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 00:38 #45

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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 01:34 #46

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no Andy ............they (the riots) steamed from people who felt disinfrashioned

Saying it's a bunch of chav's wanting to steal tv's and trainers is missing the point

Considering thats exactly what DID happen dawn I'd hardly say it's 'missing the point' :D

Sometimes people just read too much in to things. The cops took some time off and the inevitable happened.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 01:45 #47

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i just watched that mohammed movie.. i dont know what all the fuss is about, its so terrible.. like a high school movie. arresting that guy is trying to placate this angry mob. the angry mob is doing exactly what he is criticizing islam about. we end up getting caught up in all this emotion, for or against.. free speech, muslims, terrorists.. how can a whole world be so gullible. its just a lot of angry people everywhere now demanding for things to get destroyed, for people to be arrested or killed.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 02:29 #48

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Glen Greenwald nails it again.
In the same report, Engel also spent several moments explaining that the primary reason these Muslims have such animosity toward the US is because their heads have been filled for years with crazy conspiracy theories about how the US and Israel are responsible for their woes. These conspiracies, he said, were fed to them by their dictators to distract attention from their own corruption.

Let's leave aside the irony of the American media decrying crazy "conspiracy theories" in other countries, when it is the US that attacked another country based on nonexistent weapons and fabricated secret alliances with al-Qaida. One should acknowledge that there is some truth to Engel's claim that the region's tyrants fueled citizen rage toward the US and Israel as a means of distracting from their own failings and corruption.

But to act as though Muslim anger toward the US and Israel is primarily the by-product of crazy conspiracy theories is itself a crazy conspiracy theory. It's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US and Israel have continuously brought extreme amounts of violence to the Muslim world, routinely killing their innocent men, women and children. Listening to Engel, one would never know about tiny little matters like the bombing of Gaza and Lebanon, the almost five-decade long oppression of Palestinians, the widely hated, child-killing drone campaign, or the attack on Iraq.

And it's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US really has continuously interfered in their countries' governance by propping up and supporting their dictators. Intense Muslim animosity toward the US, including in Egypt, long pre-dates this film, and the reasons aren't hard to discern. That's precisely why the US supported tyranny in these countries for so long: to ensure that the citizens' views, so contrary to US policy, would be suppressed and rendered irrelevant.

It doesn't take a propagandized populace to be angry at the US for such actions. It takes a propagandized populace to be shocked at that anger and to view it with bafflement and resentment on the ground that they should, instead, be grateful because we "freed" them.
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/14/egypt-nbc
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 03:53 #49

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Porn director pegged as man who shot

now-infamous anti-Islam film

this just gets wierder..
According to the cast and crew of "The Innocence of Muslims," the man previously thought to have directed it – Nakoula Basseley Nakoula – was just the producer. The moviemaker, it turns out, is known for his work in soft-core porn.

In a story broken by American culture website Gawker.com, it turns out that while filmmaker Alan Roberts has titles like "Happy Hooker Goes to Hollywood" and "The Sexpert" to his name, he had yet to achieve recognition for his work. But all that may change, if information making him out to be the man who filmed the movie that has caused virulent demonstrations in more than twenty countries turns out to be true.

rt.com/news/film-director-made-porn-225/

:slapem: :lick: :fro: :woot: :yup: :silly: :inluv: :moon: :twisted: :bounce:

Alan Roberts is the name
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 05:44 #50

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RT: ‘Mohammed Film is a PR Stunt Designed to Polarize Cultures’

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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 05:46 #51

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QUOTE: 'There May Be No anti-Islamic Movie at All'

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'The online 14-minute clip of a purportedly anti-Islamic movie that sparked protests at the US embassy in Cairo and and the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya is now looking like it could have been ginned up by someone sitting a basement with cheap dubbing software.

Full credit goes to Sarah Abdurrahman at On the Media and Rosie Grey at Buzzfed who appear to be the first to highlight (there may be others, but they're the ones who caught my eye) the fact that almost every instance of language referring to Islam or Muhammad in the film has been dubbed in. That is, mouths are mouthing but the words you're hearing don't match.'

Read more: There May Be No anti-Islamic Movie at All
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 08:16 #52

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I watched this movie. It's the worst piece of film I have ever seen in my life, it's a joke and I've never laughed so much in my life, it's atrocious. Who ever put this together is a amateur, to say the least.

Who ever takes this seriously is an idiot !

Of course Muslim fanatics have taken the bait, cause like all fanatic's they lack critical thinking. they are assuming a jew produced this, which is par for the course. They think the mossad made it. lol, if Mossad was to make a film to incite a 3rd world war then they would have done a more convincing job than what we see.

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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 08:46 #53

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Its cinema master piece, Gold Globes. Cannes Film Festival, a fucking Bafta too............all the way to the Oscars

Best Picture, Best Director,Best Actor/Actress supporting actors, Film Score, Its a winner its moved an entire nation nothing like this has ever been done since Ed Woods, Plan Nine from Outer Space........ :scotty:
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 16 Sep 2012 09:21 #54

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Of course Muslim fanatics have taken the bait

Seems to be the case here as more stuff comes out.

Possibly even some provocateurs thrown in here and there on the ground as lighter fluid, thats just me speculating though.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 18 Sep 2012 15:34 #55

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A letter written to Neil Gaiman by an actress who was in the movie:

journal.neilgaiman.com/2012/09/a-letter-...-scared-actress.html
I feel shattered.

People who were tricked into believing that we were making an adventure drama about a comet falling into a desert did nothing but take part in a low budget indie feature film called the “Desert Warrior” that WAS about a comet falling into a desert and tribes in ancient Egypt fighting to acquire it.

It’s painful to see how our faces were used to create something so atrocious without us knowing anything about it at all. It’s painful to see people being offended with the movie that used our faces to deliver lines (it’s obvious the movie was dubbed) that we were never informed of, it is painful to see people getting killed for this same movie, it is painful to hear people blame us when we did nothing but perform our art in the fictional adventure movie that was about a comet falling into a desert and tribes in ancient Egypt fighting to acquire it, it’s painful to be thought to be someone else when you are a completely different person.

Like I explained to Inside Edition, I feel awful.. I did not do anything but I feel awful.

I feel awful that a human being is capable of such evil. I feel awful about the lies, about the injustice, about the cruelty, about the violence, about the death of innocent people, about the pain of offended people, about the false accusations.

I don’t know what else to do but speak the truth. I will not go into hiding (since I have nothing to hide), because if we don’t speak the truth, there is no world worth living for.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 18 Sep 2012 23:05 #56

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its two different worlds. you cant go over and expect it to be western mentalities. i think its stupid and all, mohammed and killing people over it, but its no surprise. that fact is exploited by both sides, and it makes allahs tears fall like bombs.


I agree its stupid. I think we should ban any comedy that is directed any religion. All religions should be exempt from laughter and amusement. Any comedian who makes a joke about religion should be thrown in jail. :cool:
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 18 Sep 2012 23:16 #57

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I agree its stupid. I think we should ban any comedy that is directed any religion. All religions should be exempt from laughter and amusement. Any comedian who makes a joke about religion should be thrown in jail. :cool:

Unlike batou, you have no sense of humour, so this law would not affect you.
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Re: Muhammad The Movie causes murder of U.S. ambassador. 19 Sep 2012 00:24 #58

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As for this debate over Blasphemy laws:
Austria

In Austria, two sections of the penal code relate to blasphemy:[2]
§ 188 : Vilification of Religious Teachings
§ 189 : Disturbance of Religious Practice (This is protection of freedom to practice religion. It is not Blasphemy.)
Brazil

Art. 208 of the penal code states that "publicly vilifying an act or object of religious worship" is a crime punishable with 1 month to a year of incarceration, or fine.
Denmark

In Denmark, Paragraph 140 of the penal code is about blasphemy. The paragraph has not been used since 1938 when a Nazi group was convicted for antisemitic propaganda. The hate speech paragraph (266b) is used more frequently. Abolition of the blasphemy clause was proposed in 2004, but failed to gain a majority.
Finland

In Finland, section 10 of chapter 17 of the Criminal Code relate to blasphemy.[8][9] Unsuccessful attempts were made to rescind the section in 1914, 1917, 1965, 1970, and 1998.[10]

In 1969, Harro Koskinen was prosecuted for publishing a picture of his painting called Pig Messiah, which featured a crucified pig. For violating the sensibilities of a religion, Koskinen had to pay a fine.[11][12]

In 2008, the issue of religious sensibilities arose again. On 30 May 2008, Tampere District Court sentenced Seppo Lehto to two years and four months in prison for offences which involve hate speech and blasphemy. The court found Lehto guilty of: defamation, incitement of an ethnic group, and violating the sensibilities of a religion. The judgment said that Lehto had violated the sensibilities of Islam because he had disseminated, with insulting intentions, material which openly blasphemes and desecrates that which Muslims deem holy.[12] Outraged by the punishment of Lehto, Jussi Halla-aho, a Helsinki councilman, posted to the Internet in 2008 some controversial remarks about Islam and about Somalis. Those remarks induced Helsinki District Court to order Halla-aho to trial.[13]
Germany

In Germany, blasphemy is covered by Article 166 of the Strafgesetzbuch, the German criminal law. If a deed is capable of disturbing the public peace, blasphemy is actionable. In 2006, Manfred van H. (also known as "Mahavo") was prosecuted for blasphemy.
Greece

Articles 198, 199, and 201 of the Greek Penal Code create offences which involve blasphemy. Article 198 "Malicious Blasphemy" provides:
1. One who publicly and maliciously and by any means blasphemes God shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years. 2. Except for cases under paragraph 1, one who by blasphemy publicly manifests a lack of respect for the divinity shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than three months.[15]
Article 199 "Blasphemy Concerning Religions" states: One who publicly and maliciously and by any means blasphemes the Greek Orthodox Church or any other religion tolerable in Greece shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years.[15]

Article 201 provides: One who willfully removes a corpse, parts of a corpse or the ashes of the dead from those who have lawful custody thereof or one who commits an offense with respect to a corpse or acts blasphemously and improperly toward a grave, shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years.[15]
Ireland

In Ireland, blasphemy is prohibited by the constitution and carries a maximum fine of €25,000.
New Zealand

In New Zealand, Section 123[41] of the Crimes Act 1961 allows for imprisonment up to one year for anyone who publishes any "blasphemous libel".
Poland

While Poland's penal code makes no reference to any sort of blasphemy law, it states that "Whoever offends religious feelings of other people by publicly insulting an object of religious cult or a place for public holding of religious ceremonies, is subject to a fine, restriction of liberty or loss of liberty for up to 2 years".
Spain

The article 525 of the penal law in Spain considers "vilification" of religious "feelings", "dogmas", "beliefs" or "rituals". This extension to "dogmas" and "beliefs" makes it very close to a blasphemy law in practice, depending on the interpretation of the judge.

For instance, in 2012 it was used to prosecute a famous artist, Javier Krahe, for a scene (shot 34 years ago, and lasting just 54 seconds) in a documentary about him. [69]
United Kingdom

Blasphemy laws in the United Kingdom were specific to blasphemy against Christianity. The last attempted prosecution under these laws was in 2007 when the fundamentalist group Christian Voice sought a private prosecution against the BBC over its broadcasting of the show Jerry Springer: The Opera (which includes a scene depicting Jesus, dressed as a baby, professing to be "a bit gay"). The charges were rejected by the City of Westminster magistrates court. Christian Voice applied to have this ruling overturned by the High Court, but the application was rejected. The court found that the common law blasphemy offences specifically did not apply to stage productions (s. 2(4) of the Theatres Act 1968) and broadcasts (s. 6 of the Broadcasting Act 1990).[76][77]

The last successful blasphemy prosecution (also a private prosecution) was Whitehouse v. Lemon in 1977, when Denis Lemon, the editor of Gay News, was found guilty. His newspaper had published James Kirkup's poem The Love that Dares to Speak its Name, which allegedly vilified Christ and his life. Lemon was fined £500 and given a suspended sentence of nine months imprisonment. It had been "touch and go", said the judge, whether he would actually send Lemon to jail.[78] In 2002, a deliberate and well-publicised public repeat reading of the poem took place on the steps of St Martin-in-the-Fields church in Trafalgar Square, but failed to lead to any prosecution.

The last person in Britain to be imprisoned for blasphemy was John William Gott on 9 December 1921. He had three previous convictions for blasphemy when he was prosecuted for publishing two pamphlets which satirised the biblical story of Jesus entering Jerusalem (Matthew 21:2-7), comparing Jesus to a circus clown. He was sentenced to nine months' hard labour.

The last prosecution for blasphemy in Scotland was in 1843.[79] In 1697, a Scottish court hanged Thomas Aikenhead for blasphemy.

On 5 March 2008, an amendment was passed to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 which abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel in England and Wales. (Common law is abolished, not repealed.) The Act received royal assent on 8 May 2008,[80][81] and the relevant section came into force on 8 July 2008.[82][83]

The 1989 film Visions of Ecstasy was the only film ever banned in the UK for blasphemy. Following the 2008 repeal of the blasphemy law, the film was eventually classified by the BBFC for release as 18-rated in 2012.[84]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law




And as for the notion that there is a Islam vs Secular culture at the heart of current tensions: Chomsky a few months ago puts that to bed



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mikey mikey wrote:
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I agree its stupid. I think we should ban any comedy that is directed any religion. All religions should be exempt from laughter and amusement. Any comedian who makes a joke about religion should be thrown in jail. :cool:

Unlike batou, you have no sense of humour, so this law would not affect you.

:D Very big generalisation mikey
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nirvana wrote:
:D Very big generalisation mikey

No, that wasn't a generalisation. It was personal. :moon:
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