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Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 06:06 #1

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Reports from the US say the would-be suicide attacker in a foiled "underwear bomb" plot was in fact a double agent.

US officials are quoted as saying that the person dispatched by Yemen-based al-Qaeda to attack a US-bound plane had infiltrated the group.

In an apparent intelligence coup, the agent left Yemen with the device and delivered it to the CIA.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon says it is sending military trainers back to Yemen to help counter al-Qaeda militants.

US intelligence learned last month that militants with al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in Yemen planned to attack a plane with a more sophisticated version of a bomb hidden in a passenger's underwear, similar to one used in a failed 2009 attempt, Associated Press news agency reported.

Officials told US media that the would-be bomber had been recruited by Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency and sent to Yemen where he infiltrated the militants' cell.

The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Washington says the double-agent was reportedly given an ambitious task by Saudi intelligence - to convince AQAP that he wanted to blow up himself and a US-bound aircraft.

The agent was given the device which he then delivered to the CIA and Saudi officials.

The New York Times reports that the double-agent is now safe in Saudi Arabia.

FBI analysts are studying the device.

The upgraded underwear bomb is described by officials as a "custom-fit" device, that would have been difficult to detect even with careful security checks.

It is said to have two forms of detonator, unlike a similar bomb, from the same Yemeni source, that failed to explode on Christmas Day 2009.

The main charge was a high-grade military explosive that "undoubtedly would have brought down an aircraft", an official told the New York Times.

Experts quoted in the US media say both bombs bear the hallmarks of AQAP master bomb-maker Ibrahim Hassan Tali al-Asiri.

"The plot itself indicates that the terrorists keep trying... to devise more and more perverse and terrible ways to kill innocent people," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said during a visit to India.
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The agent also provided intelligence that led the CIA to conduct a drone strike in Yemen on Sunday that killed AQAP leader Fahd al-Quso, the New York Times reported.

Quso was wanted in connection with the bombing of the American destroyer USS Cole in Yemen 12 years ago. The US was offering a $5m (£3.1m) reward for information leading to his capture or death.

US officials told ABC News that Quso had been planning an attack similar to the failed 2009 attempt to blow up a passenger plane.

The device seized from Yemen shares some features with the bomb sewn into the underwear of would-be suicide bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab during that attempt, officials said.

The Nigerian was arrested when his device failed to explode fully while on a plane bound for Detroit.

Meanwhile, Pentagon spokesman Capt John Kirby told reporters on Tuesday that the US had "begun to reintroduce small numbers of trainers into Yemen".

"We have been working with the government of Yemen and the Yemeni military for some time now to help them deal with the growing threat of al-Qaeda in Yemen," he added.

Capt Kirby would not say how many trainers were involved or where they were based.

Months of political upheaval in Yemen have left militants in control of large parts of the south of the country.

Washington's military training programme in Yemen was suspended in 2011 after then-President Ali Abdullah Saleh was badly injured in a rocket attack.

President Saleh gave way to his deputy, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, in February after more than a year of mass pro-democracy protests and bouts of open warfare between rival groups.
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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 06:24 #2

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And so the headline in today's paper read that the CIA captured a guy a with an undetectable bomb.

Erm, I'm no grammar queen, but I expect better of the wire.

Evidently, a number of facts have been omitted for advertising space.

Comprehension is fun. :rofl:
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Coco wrote:
And so the headline in today's paper read that the CIA captured a guy a with an undetectable bomb.

Erm, I'm no grammar queen, but I expect better of the wire.

Evidently, a number of facts have been omitted for advertising space.

Comprehension is fun. :rofl:

The headline, "CIA gets handed bomb they would never have found by an agent of the Saudi Intelligence Service" wouldn't quite have the same flag-waving, super-competent, ring to it the first one goes for though.
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And so the headline in today's paper read that the CIA captured a guy a with an undetectable bomb.

Erm, I'm no grammar queen, but I expect better of the wire.

Evidently, a number of facts have been omitted for advertising space.

Comprehension is fun. :rofl:

The headline, "CIA gets handed bomb they would never have found by an agent of the Saudi Intelligence Service" wouldn't quite have the same flag-waving, super-competent, ring to it the first one goes for though.


Whoa,I NEVER saw it described as such and I'm not kidding. That's why the net is good, we can COMMUNICATE!

Every version of the article I saw owed everything to 'our boys'.

What you say is believable as such has been proved historically.

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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 10:46 #5

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There probably never was a bomb.
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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 11:16 #6

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yes the cia officially does this.they say so themselves.

they set up some sucker, provide weapons etc and when hes ready to go, they "twarth" his plans.

i find it odd that people think they discovered some conspiracy when they find out the cia or equal is involved.

this is how they operate, by their own admission.
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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 14:40 #7

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Saw this in the paper this morning. The last part of the article addresses those darn Europeans who just won't increase airport security.......by purchasing America's full body scanners for all of its airports. Shame, shame. :nono:

Anyway, thank goodness the CIA had an Al-Keeder informant working for them.....oh, and the Saudis had something to do with it, negligible certainly, probably because it went down in Yemen. <sarcasm>

www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=66198

No changes to airport security after foiled plot

Posted On: Tuesday, May. 8 2012 11:18 PM

By Adam Goldman
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The CIA had al-Qaida fooled from the beginning.

Last month, U.S. intelligence learned that al-Qaida's Yemen branch hoped to launch a spectacular attack using a new, nearly undetectable bomb aboard an airliner bound for America, officials say.

But the man the terrorists were counting on to carry out the attack was actually working for the CIA and Saudi intelligence, U.S. and Yemeni officials told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

The dramatic sting operation thwarted the attack before it had a chance to succeed.

It was the latest misfire for al-Qaida, which has repeatedly come close to detonating a bomb aboard an airliner. For the United States, it was a victory that delivered the bomb intact to U.S. intelligence.

The officials spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. The cooperation of the would-be bomber was first reported Tuesday evening by The Los Angeles Times.

The FBI is still analyzing the explosive, which was intended to be concealed in a passenger's underwear. Officials said it was an upgrade over the bomb that failed to detonate on board an airplane over Detroit on Christmas 2009. This new bomb contained no metal and used a chemical — lead azide — that was to be a detonator in a nearly successful 2010 plot to attack cargo planes, officials said.

Many checkpoints

Security procedures at U.S. airports remained unchanged Tuesday, a reflection of both the U.S. confidence in its security systems and a recognition that the government can't realistically expect travelers to endure much more. Increased costs and delays to airlines and shipping companies could have a global economic impact, too.

"I would not expect any real changes for the traveling public," said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich. "There is a concern that overseas security doesn't match ours. That's an ongoing challenge."

While airline checks in the United States mean passing through an onerous, sometimes embarrassing series of pat-downs and body scans, procedures overseas can be a mixed bag. The U.S. cannot force other countries to permanently adopt the expensive and intrusive measures that have become common in American airports over the past decade.

The Transportation Security Administration sent advice to some international air carriers and airports about security measures that might stave off an attack from a hidden explosive. It's the same advice the U.S. has issued before, but there was a thought that it might get new attention in light of the foiled plot.

Issues overseas

The U.S. has worked for years to try to improve security for U.S.-bound flights originating at international airports. And many countries agree that security needs to be better. But while plots such as the Christmas attack have spurred changes, some security gaps that have been closed in the U.S. remain open overseas.

Officials believe that body scanners, for instance, probably would have detected this latest attempt by al-Qaida to bring down a jetliner. Such scanners allow screeners to see objects hidden beneath a passenger's clothes.

But while scanners are in place in airports nationwide, their use is scattershot overseas. Even in security-conscious Europe, the European Union has not required full-body imaging machines for all airports, though a number of major airports in Paris, London, Frankfurt and elsewhere use them.

All passengers on U.S.-bound flights are checked against terrorist watch lists and law enforcement databases.

In some countries, U.S. officials are stationed in airports to offer advice on security matters. In some cases, though, the U.S. is limited to hoping that other countries follow the security advice from the Transportation Security Administration.

"Even if our technology is good enough to spot it, the technology is still in human hands and we are inherently fallible," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Intelligence Committee. "And overseas, we have varying degrees of security depending on where the flight originates."

Al-Qaida has repeatedly tried to take advantage of those overseas gaps. The Christmas 2009 bombing originated in Amsterdam, where the bomber did not receive a full-body scan. And in 2010, terrorists smuggled bombs onto cargo jets, which receive less scrutiny than passenger planes.

In the meantime, Americans traveled Tuesday with little apparent concern.

"We were nervous — for a minute," said Nan Gartner, a retiree on her way to Italy from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport. "But then we thought, we aren't going anywhere near Yemen, so we're OK."
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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 15:39 #8

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Watch the pea, watch the pea, which shell is it under?


Officials told US media that the would-be bomber had been recruited by Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency and sent to Yemen where he infiltrated the militants' cell.

The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Washington says the double-agent was reportedly given an ambitious task by Saudi intelligence

The agent was given the device which he then delivered to the CIA and Saudi officials. (*Did you notice that sleight of hand? Apparently a Saudi operative gave it to the CIA first and his own handlers just got to tag along. I'm sure that must happen all the time in the intelligence business without repercussions eh?)

The New York Times reports that the double-agent is now safe in Saudi Arabia. .... and they all lived happily ever after. Aww.

Then the FBI take over to analyse the bomb. The Saudi's and the CIA don't have labs?


Now if I were a cynic and if I had to cook up a plot to frighten or embarrass those non-compliant, uppity, tight-fisted, Europeans into buying US produced full body scanners for all their airports .........
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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 09 May 2012 15:43 #9

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Some fine un-picking going on here, men (and otter).

As you were.

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Ja wohl mein........ :hmm: Carmen? :scratch:
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Ja wohl mein........ :hmm: Carmen? :scratch:
I'm getting a hunch he has a plan for the offcuts from all that curtain fabric Coco. :facepalm:
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Ja wohl mein........ :hmm: Carmen? :scratch:
I'm getting a hunch he has a plan for the offcuts from all that curtain fabric Coco. :facepalm:

And what?!

Haters be hatin'...

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*flounces off with a yard of material wrapped round his head*

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Re: Al-Qaeda underwear bomber 'was double agent' 10 May 2012 02:03 #14

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yes the cia officially does this.they say so themselves.

they set up some sucker, provide weapons etc and when hes ready to go, they "twarth" his plans.

i find it odd that people think they discovered some conspiracy when they find out the cia or equal is involved.

this is how they operate, by their own admission.

And the FBI has been caught fomenting terrorist acts in USA as well.
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Coco wrote:

:roflha:

"I saw it in the window and I just couldn't resist it".
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A great comedienne. :thumbup:
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What a convoluted tale of BS that leads this reader to believe that there is still a massive threat from a CIA organization but not to worry because a double agent of the CIA foiled the plot and now the CIA gets to take credit for foiling their own plot. That wasn't really a plot.

It's a great story, but I'm not into those Tom Clancy books.
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