andyh wrote:
It's not standard procedure. And it won't be standard anything when they start implementing the things oulined in these bills.

Can you show me any such documents as these that give such a government such control if this has been going on for so long? I'd be very interested to see them for my own piece of mind above all else at this moment in time.

Even the Cass Sunstein story comes into this.

The dots go far and wide but they all meet at the same place.

psketti wrote:
Have you not watched the way they deal with crowds and have done so for decades now?
There might be some new tech involved such as sound cannons/water cannons/tasers etc, but before then it was tear gas, rubber bullets, pulling out ringleaders. This stuff is really old
You've seen it on TV in the 80's nevermind now

Do you think they had any more respect for citizens rights then than they do now? Come on :p

I'm old enough not to see any REAL change now, I can see that this has been going on for a long time and it'll continue to go on the way it is. The only thing thats different is the tools used.
The methods are older than me.

Don't think for one minute I'm belittling your thread or anything like that btw
I'm just pointing out that tactics like this have been used for a long time.
You see the info because of the internet, thats all

And thats GOOD. It's good that people see stuff like this and I'm glad of it, hence why I view tech as being a double edged sword. It's always MOTIVE that matters more than means.

These people have one major weakness and that is their supreme self-belief.

They honestly believe in their little bubbles they are untouchable.
They never give credit to those outside the bubble or entertain the thought that their ambitions will fail.

History has shown this time and time again.

There are always individuals who have moral or ideological oppositions to their schemes who are prepared to undermine or circumvent their progress, others then become aware and rally to their side.

It's always the little guy, (or the establishments treatment of them), that topples the machine. The one they never anticipated, or laughingly dismissed.

The likes of Mohandis Gandhi, Lech Walesa, Steven Biko, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, Dr Martin Luther King, etc from recent history.

The arrogance of the powerful always encourages them to go that one step too far.
There is a miniscule line between people feeling helpless and them having nothing left to lose.

The compilers of the policy document referred to in this thread, (caveat, if it is indeed genuine), are so fanatical in their worship of the America they perceive, they haven't considered for a second that Joe Blow in the US would not want to live in their oppressive vision of America.

The first time there was evidence of these camps actually being used, the lid will come off.

andyh wrote:
I'm aware of all that and not disputing any of what you're saying.

And yes I've seen all those things you mention and yes, the tech keeps advancing but the last time I looked, there wasn't any Internment and Resettlement camps which where specifically designed to hold anyone who had an opposing view to that of the most corrupt state on the planet, so they could be reconditioned into accepting the U.S. policies and actions. Have you seen any of those in your lifetime?

We may just have to agree to disagree on this one andy because from where I'm sitting, you're either not prepared or interested enough to look into it further than you have because you think it's nothing new or out of the ordinary... or you're deliberately trying to play it down for whatever reason you would have. Fair enough?

andyh wrote:
I don't... regardless of our differing opinions.

psketti wrote:
Yes. Remember what they did in the US with the commie witch-hunts?

How about what the nazis did to the jews or the gypsies?

Its nothing new in the sense that those in power have never cared about humanist values or concepts.
They merely pretend to while its convenient to do so

I agree that its important to spread the message to as many people as possible though that this goes on and this doc is good for that. I personally though am far beyond thinking that this is something 'new' if you get me

This battle between the people and the elite has been going on for yonks. The people have always seen themselves as weak and powerless, so its good that they get pissed off at it imho.

Your 'universalist' human rights have always been trampled on until recently in the west, its common to see people who believe only in cultural rights which vary across regions. They don't believe in universal unalienable human rights as some of us do. They tend to be more backward, bigoted, religious, conservative, in fact, just like most of the shills on the DIF

You see, I don't see differences in this struggle, I see a struggle which has lasted for eons. The struggle is for man to overcome the paradigm of his own making.

featheredfish wrote:
I sincerely hope that's true feather but as I believe that that one particular document is linked to many others that are all as dangerous as the next, then in this instance I fear the worst.

That's not something I do very often for the record. Spreading doom for the sake of it, isn't my style. This stuff however, needs to be taken notice off in my opinion.

psketti wrote:
Damn right people need to take notice, however you're preaching to the choir here pesky

Think this image sums up my thoughts on this topic.

Mrindigo wrote:

Hahaha, I agree! And that's a great pic by the way!!

andyh wrote:

Exactly my point.

So if this is in fact, basically a repeat of history in the making, why be so complacent about it?
Apologies if I've got that wrong but it's just how you're coming across to me. I mean I'm not expecting you to be brandishing a pitchfork and yelling for someones head... but it's just seemed like your voice of reason has opted to side-step the wider implications... maybe that's just me though.


I can't argue with any of that but it also doesn't make any of the information in this thread any easier to accept.


Maybe I should just get pissed so I can't read or type anymore

andyh wrote:
Fair point

Pissed it is then ...

psketti wrote:
Its just you

I'm not complacent about it at all. I merely acknowledge that this has been going on for a lot longer than just recently. If anything thats an even stronger viewpoint don't you think?

andyh wrote:
I can live with that

Yes, I guess it is and sorry for suggesting you where being so.

But on that basis then, wouldn't you agree that all these things that have been going on for so long are now possibly coming to a head given the information from links on this thread?

psketti wrote:
This is what I like about this forum here, a total different class of forum user

Hmmm thats a damn good question, if I'm honest here I would have to say I don't know if things are coming to a head as you put it. I suppose it would depend on how you define that?

andyh wrote:
... thank you.

Can I get back to you on that?

My brain hurts and I'm going to go and fix it...

psketti wrote:
Anytime

No rush, it is a bank hol weekend after all

... good answer.