Guy Taylor describes the Commercial Lien, and discusses the courts in general.

Enjoy

Have we got this on the media zone frog?

Frog wrote:
I most certainly did

@Andy It is now > Here it is.

@Psketti thought you might.

BUMP

Seems like a nice chap In common with a lot of people that give talks about this subject though, he rather waffles and goes off on tangents. This makes it difficult for people to grasp what he's saying. Something John Harris, Rob Menard and others also suffer from in their talks. Hey at least it shows they are people though eh

dubmeup wrote:
Maybe so but given that the 'waffle' and 'tangent' was based on facts purely from his own experience, then surely that deserves some attention.

Unless of course he's lying, which I'm safely assuming he isn't.

No, none of them are lying. When you get into it, the facts presented are real. The issue really is that people are tempted by watching vids like this into jumping straight in. We've all seen the results. GT here does warn against that though

As I've said before, I've used certain parts of this info to good effect. It CAN be a great help. Problems come in if you expect too much of it, expect to use it for selfish ends or run before you walk. If enough people start to adopt the principles of getting informed and mirroring that which has been used to trap you then it could be a very positive thing. I'm still unconvinced that will be what we see though I sit somewhere between Frog and Andy on it tbh.

An awful lot of it is wordplay and if you slip up you're fekked. It's a dangerous game. Even experts like RH get screwed when playing it.

dubmeup wrote:
I get that.

The urge to bypass the leaning and jump on froggy is strong though, when you watch people like that.





*cue endless puns of ever increasing amounts of filth*

I hear you sket. When I first discovered this stuff I thought I'd found my equivalent of the holy grail. I was all over it.

This started to change when all that stuff happened on TPUC last year. It really took on a different perspective then. I ws a member over there at the time and witnessed JH going from someone I fully respected to someone that made me go

That took the shine off of my enthusiasm somewhat shall I say. None of that detracts from what is excellent research done by these people

The way I see it is that these things exist and are their to be used and have been my the state. If enough people adopt the information and implement it the more the pressure will mount. The cases which get quashed by the state serve to highlight the hypocrisy, fraud, abuse and injustice present in the system. Lots of people can see it for what it is and that is one of the reason why they tried and convicted Roger Hayes using an illegal process totally out of keeping with a democratic/free society. We are living in a an increasingly fascist state.

They don't want us playing with their toys.

Why would we want to hold out for some future written constitution (pie in the sky notion), when we have a perfectly serviceable set of documents which already have the capacity to perform that roll? Why would any rational mind discard what it has for some idealist fictional concept of the future?